Theos-Talk Archives (July 1998 Message tt00167)

> From: "Daniel H Caldwell" <blafoun@azstarnet.com>
> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:42:58 -0700
> Subject: Rubbish Claptrap etc.
>
> Allan writes such things as:
>
> Rubbish
>
> Claptrap
>
> Buddha  can go where he likes, seeing as the silly sod fell into yogic
> error.  Oh well,  perhaps in the next Kalpa he will know
> better!  He can shove his Nirvana where the sun doesn't shine.
>
> Allan, such comments do not help your readers to understand where
> you are coming from.
>
> Why is it claptrap?
>
> Why is it rubbish?
>
> Why is evolution claptrap?
>
> Why is it yogic error?
>
> Shed some light of your reasoning or whatever
> you call it.
>
> Maybe it is all rubbish and claptrap but
> please explain your reasoning for saying
> rubbish, claptrap, etc.
>
> Daniel

Sorry Daniel,

You are quite right.  I didn't explain however because I have written quite a lot about this over
the last week and it has appeared in the Digest.   Foolishly I assumed that people reading what I
put there would know why I wrote it.

I just didn't feel like repeating myself.

>

If you like I will cut and paste the lot to you and you can have fun with it.

> Allan
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> From: "Annette Rivington" <libidium@globalserve.net>
> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:34:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: Rubbish Claptrap etc.
>

Hi. Libidia,

> Dear Allan:
> I sit here in my comfortable cocoon in southern Canada and reel off my
> chair at your postings, that's when I'm not grinning from ear to ear.
>
> One minute you're on your soapbox in Trafalgar Square, next minute
> you're in the pub where nothing is safe or sacred from debate, and next
> minute you're flying on a veritable broomstick.

He He He.

> Hold on there mate.... it's a way of expression that others aren't used
> to.  Don't piss 'em off
>
> I'm enjoying and learning from your postings.
> It's all got to be said and I can't express it and I want to hear it,
> but remember the honey bees and watch out for your credibility quotient

As I ain't preaching and I ain't got no and no intention of getting any "devotees", my cred doesn't
really matter.  (I think.  Does it.)

>

> ....we come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.

Oh oh.  Now wheres that bus out of here.

>
>
> I like you playful, but haven't you been watching....

I am lost here, please explain. Watching what?

> this particular
> arena gets hotter than Hades on a Saturday night.

You gotta know I am very naive.  If people get bit in the proverbial by my comments, then thats ok,
if it inspires a bit of debate.  If I am upsetting people, then I won't write a thing.

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> This is who we are

Thank you.

Confused Allan.

> AR
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> From: "Brenda S Tucker" <brenda@theosophy.com>
> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:41:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: Rubbish Claptrap etc.
>
> At 11:42 AM 7/25/1998 -0700, you wrote:
> >Allan writes such things as:
> >
> >Rubbish
> >
> >Claptrap
> >
> >Buddha  can go where he likes, seeing as the silly sod fell into yogic
> >error.  Oh well,  perhaps in the next Kalpa he will know
> >better!  He can shove his Nirvana where the sun doesn't shine.
> >
> >
> >Allan, such comments do not help your readers to understand where
> >you are coming from.
> >
> >Why is it claptrap?
> >
> >Why is it rubbish?
> >
> >Why is evolution claptrap?
> >
> >Why is it yogic error?
> >
> >Shed some light of your reasoning or whatever
> >you call it.
> >
> >Maybe it is all rubbish and claptrap but
> >please explain your reasoning for saying
> >rubbish, claptrap, etc.
> >
> >Daniel
>
> I think what Allan is trying to say is that too many people mistake the
> idea that through progressing into higher and higher states of
> consciousness or planes or whatever, we can achieve "evolution." We have
> been taught by Buddha and others to take "steps" into reality and these
> steps are within us or our capability as human beings, but who has taught
> that we need to look to another lifewave in order to realize our future
> lives successfully? Well, they do tell us about the teachers that are
> waiting to assist us and they even say to use your abilities to come into
> the teachers stream or vicinity.  So, I guess it was the human beings who
> never interpreted that this might mean an "androgynous" relationship
> sometime in the future.  So, I admire those people who are more intent on
> finding the teacher than they are in taking the steps through the planes,
> because just because you reach your highest plane of consciousness doesn't
> mean that you release your lower vehicles from the control of the human ego
> and turn the vehicles over to the control of the logos or the control of
> the next higher kingdom of nature.  Each of these activities will have a
> different result than that which Allan has found to be a dead end:  staying
> within the human realm.
>
> Brenda
> Visit my webpage at http://www.webspawner.com/users/ascension

Thank you Brenda.

Allan.