Theos-Talk Archives (March 1999 Message tt00102)

Mar 12th

 

Dear Jerry :   I put some notes in CAPS below.

 

Thanks for the opportunity of thinking about your thoughts.

 

Dal

 

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              Dallas TenBroeck
              dalval@nwc,net

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Schueler
Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 5:12 AM
To: Theos World
Subject: Theos-World Remission of Sins

>[Dallas:]Alterations, elisions, and perversions of meaning are

now being show up in many areas.  >

 

While I agree with you pretty much, we do have to realize that

"perversions" is a subjective call. I personally think that the

attempts to Christianize Theosophy is a perversion, but this

is just my own opinion because other people like it.
[DALLAS ] 

i DID NOT HAVE CHRISTIANITY ALONE IN MIND.  EVERY ORGANIZED RELIGION HAS ESTABLISHED A BASIS OF REMUNERATION FOR ITSELF AND THOSE WHO MAINTAIN IT. THE OCCULT STATEMENT THAT WISDOM CANNOT BE BOUGHT OR SOLD IS UNIVERSALLY TRUE (AS I SEE IT) -- SO PROFITING FROM SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE SUCH AS PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION IS REALLY QUITE IMPROPER. I OBJECT TO THAT.

 

 

>There is no "remission of sins."  And logically everyone is
responsible for their choices.  >

 

We have discussed this before, and again we can only

agree to disagree here. There is absolutely no way I am

prepared to believe your first statement because if true then

liberation (mukti) would be impossible. 
[DALLAS ] 

THE LOGIC THAT I LOOK AT STARTS WITH THE IDEA THAT WE ARE ALL IMMORTALS.  SUCH BEING THE CASE "MUKTI" IS ONLY A VERY LONG DOZE/SLEEP IN ISOLATION FROM THE EVOLUTIONARY STREAM.  THAT IS ADMITTEDLY TRUE.  BUT EVEN THE MERIT THAT WINS "MUKTI" EVENTUALLY DISSIPATES AS THE EVOLUTIONARY STREAM CATCHES UP WITH THE 'SLEEPER,'  IN WHICH ASE, AT THAT TIME, THE NIRVANEE (MUKTA) IS REAWAKENED BY MOTHER NATURE AND IT RESUMES WORKING AND LIVING.  SEE SD II PP. 79 (bottom) AND 80 TOP AS THIS IS ILLUSTRATED.

 

 

 

 I can only accept 

Theosophy if liberation (i.e., the elimination or consumption

of all past karma through spiritual insight) was not a

possibility. If "sins" can not go into "remission" when seen

as dualistic maya, then nothing else can either. Buddha's

fourth law, that there is a way out of samsara, implied that

our countless "sins" incurred throughout countless lifetimes

can be forgiven and can be dispelled in a single heartbeat.

 

DALLAS :   WHO OR WHAT DOES THE FORGIVING ?  IF NATURE IS IMPERSONAL AND THE LAWS AND RULES OF KARMA ARE IMMUTABLE, THEN WHAT KIND OF EXCEPTION WOULD PROVIDE THIS?  IF YOU ARE RIGHT THEN THE SAME 'PATH' IS OPEN TO ALL.  AND, IT CANNOT BE DENIED TO ANY.  BUT ALSO IT DOES NOT BRING 'IMMORTALITY' OR 'ETERNITY' TO A FINAL CONCLUSION EITHER.

 

THAT'S HOW I SEE IT,

 

DAL.

Jerry S.