Theos-Talk Archives (March 1999 Message tt00113)

Mar 13 1999

 

Dear Peter:

 

I would like to have the reference you recall also.  I cannot think of it either.

 

However:  Karma touches everything.  It is an aspect of the ABSOLUTE.  Under its reign Universes come and go.  The imperishable MONADS that we are at core are also unalienable aspects (parts) of the ABSOLUTE.  Are we not  really speaking of "fields of force" on planes quite different from our merely physical.  What is the MONAD ?

 

I just posted to BN a small essay on the first moments of the resumption of evolution and compared it (at Reed's request) with the 3 "Qualities" or "Gunas" as described in the BHAGAVAD GITA.

 

Does this in any way deal with your observation ?  Perhaps not directly.

 

Dal

 

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              Dallas TenBroeck
              dalval@nwc,net

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Peter Merriott
Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 4:07 PM
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
Subject: RE: Theos-World Remission of Sins

Hi Dallas,

 

You wrote:

>There is no "remission of sins."  And logically everyone is
responsible for their choices.  >

 

I imagine you were challenging the Christian Church view here.  Namely, that we can live an immoral life year after year and then have our sins absolved by God's forgiveness at the last minute, just before death.

 

How very convenient!

 

I can't find the reference at the moment, but I am sure that both HPB and Subba Row both state that Nirvana cannot be reached through Karma - because it is beyond the realm of cause and effect.  Have you come across this?

 

Best wishes

 

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Schueler
Sent: 12 March 1999 13:12
To: Theos World
Subject: Theos-World Remission of Sins

>[Dallas:]Alterations, elisions, and perversions of meaning are

now being show up in many areas.  >

 

While I agree with you pretty much, we do have to realize that

"perversions" is a subjective call. I personally think that the

attempts to Christianize Theosophy is a perversion, but this

is just my own opinion because other people like it.

 

 

 

We have discussed this before, and again we can only

agree to disagree here. There is absolutely no way I am

prepared to believe your first statement because if true then

liberation (mukti) would be impossible.  I can only accept

Theosophy if liberation (i.e., the elimination or consumption

of all past karma through spiritual insight) was not a

possibility. If "sins" can not go into "remission" when seen

as dualistic maya, then nothing else can either. Buddha's

fourth law, that there is a way out of samsara, implied that

our countless "sins" incurred throughout countless lifetimes

can be forgiven and can be dispelled in a single heartbeat.

 

Jerry S.