Theos-Talk Archives (March 1999 Message tt00146)

Mar 15th

Dear Gerry:

In strict logic, the little that is given to us concerning
ABSOLUTENESS implies that "Karma" is a part of THAT and springs
from the ever "pulsing" aspect of "LIFE"
(also an innate part - which is not a "part") as is "the open eye
of the Dangma" of the Spiritually WISE (A THIRD INNATE ASPECT ?)

Also, if on the rebirth of a whole UNIVERSE all the beings that
participated in the activity of the last are reprecipitated, then
their individual KARMA has to come along too.

>From our point of view, here and now.  When a Bodhisattva enters
NIRVANA by choosing to, he cuts himself off (or rather the
DHARMAKAYA vesture cuts him off) from the karma that is being
generated here.  If and when he returns after a very long cycle
this will be caused by Karma again.  (SD II 79-80 refers to this
return.)

Dal
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-----Original Message-----
From:	owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com
[mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com] On Behalf Of
Gerald Schueler
Sent:	Monday, March 15, 1999 8:52 AM
To:	theos-talk@theosophy.com
Subject:	Theos-World Nirvana and Karma

<<I can't find the reference at the moment, but I am sure that
both HPB
and Subba Row both state that Nirvana cannot be reached through
Karma -
because it is beyond the realm of cause and effect.  Have you
come
across this?
Best wishes
Peter>>

I hope that they did not say this. The Dzog Chen view (probably
the
highest Tibetan Buddhist school) is that both samsara and nirvana
are
part of maya. When I read their descriptions, it is pretty clear
to me
that samsara refers to the four lower solar planes, and nirvana
to the
higher three of our 7-plane solar system. Both must be
transcended. I am
assuming here that causality holds in all 7 planes.

According to some magical/occult schools, personal karma is
consumed
somewhere in the three higher planes. But collective karma is
only
eliminated outside our 7-plane solar system altogether. So, I
would
think that your statement really depends on exactly how we define
karma
and nirvana.

Jerry S.















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