Theos-Talk Archives (April 1999 Message tt00080)

>>Jerry,
Again I say, the presumption that members of THIS list, needs your silly
games in order to think deeply and profoundly about the matters at hand,
says more about you, then the subjects you address. >>

The list responses tell me that some on "THIS list" are very 
complacent in their Theosophical understanding. While I know 
I can rule you out Louis, some come to this list knowing very 
little and anything new is good, while others think they already
know everything.  Some think that HPB is some kind of an 
infallible authority. Some think that her Masters were superhuman.
Some think that sex is terrible, awful, ugly, and Black Magic of 
the worst kind. Some think that karma is a universal law that
never changes. It has even been compared to gravity for
god's sakes.  And some even think that anything they don't
like should be avoided and not talked about while at the
same time bantering about "there is no higher religion than
truth" and some even flame and get all emotional at some
postings while spounting off about universal brotherhood.
And hey, maybe I just like to play silly games once and
awhile. Is that anti-theosophical? Chuck understands 
me.  I am sorry that you don't. If you are one of those folks
who are open minded and willing to discuss important
subjects that aren't immediately appealing to you, then
please join in. Give us your viewpoint. I admit it when I 
am wrong. All I ask is for others to do the same.


>>To me, it reveals a level of arrogance that I find disturbing.>>

Then please respond to some of my postings with respect
and theosophical aceptance, like I try to do with yours. I
honestly find most of the posting on "THIS list" disturbing
too. I ignore theos-l because I find most of the historical
stuff disturbing.  I suspect that your postings disturb me 
lots more than mine do you, Louis. Lets try to keep things 
to subject matter. If you don't agree with what I am saying, 
then it is infinitely better to respond with your own view rather
than to make personal attacks. 


>> I know you don't care what we think or how we react. >>

Of course I do. Its just that I don't expect a lot of agreement.


>>However, when you say that you deliberately set 
circumstance in order to provoke certain responses, 
I become alarmed.>>

And I am always alarmed by those responses, which
I view as narrow-minded. However, my only option is
to ignore subjects like sex and magic and pretend they
don't exist, like other people do. I can't do that with a
clear conscience. And I would like to think that my views
have gotten through at least a little. I don't ask anyone
to accept my views, only to listen to them and to think
about it a little before going back to their former state of
complacency. If this upsets you, Louis, then just delete
my postings and you can remain free of my evil influence.


 >>I must ask where you get the authority or credentials to do 
such a thing. I, for one, find this type of thinking, shallow and 
unproductive. >>

My authority is that I have been a Theosophist for over 40
years, and have practiced yoga and magic even longer.
I don't just discuss what I read, but what I have experienced.
If these experiences and ideas bother you so much, kindly
just delete them from your computer. What is "unproductive"
is to have us all post sweet-smelling praises to HPB and
her Masters. If you want this, please go to the moderated
Theosophical list that Wheaton puts out. I like to think that
we on "THIS list" are past that kind of thing and can
weather hearing new ideas.


>>I would like to see the communications that appear on this list back
on track. The love and study and discussion of Source-Theosophy. >>

You should probably go to a moderated list, Louis. This list
is set up to offer mature discussions that include possible
areas where "Source-Theosophy" is wrong or at least
limited in scope, where the TSs are wrong, and where 
Theosophists themselves may be wrong. The passing
back and forth of Source Material is useless and totally
unnecessary. Anyone who wants that material can go to
one of the theosophical web sites and download it. What I
am trying to do here is to discuss Source Material in light
of today's world. Most of it is good stuff. Some is highly
misleading. Some is wrong. All is subject to interpretation.



>>That's what I thought I was getting when I joined this list. Not an
endless defense of questionable opinion.>>

All we have is our opinion. Thats all we can ever have.
That is all you or I can give anyone. Quoting HPB is a
waste of everyone's time on "THIS list." If we all
agree on every idea, then how can anyone hope to learn
anything new?
 
Jerry S.

                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                 

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