Theos-World Re: Robert Crosbie and the truth
May 21, 2000 02:15 PM
by David Green
Dear Frank -----
Thanks for Mr Iverson Harris's letter. I call attention to his words ------
"The historical facts completely contradict the charge that the people named
'Concocted' the notes, or memoranda, (sometimes miscalled the 'diary') in
Mr. Judge's own handwriting." etc. etc.
"I have seen the originals of these 'messages and quotations' in Mr. Judge's
handwriting, and I showed photographic copies of them to Miss Margaret
Thomas (an active U.L.T: member) at Oakley House, Bromley Common, Kent,
England, while I was attached to Dr. de Purucker's staff during the
temporary transference thither of the International Headquarters of The
Theosophical Society )Point Loma) in 1932-1933.
This is accurate. View & read "Messages to W.Q. Judge from the dead Mme.
Blavatsky Praise Katherine Tingley" on
http://members.tripod.com/davidgreen_2/thesign.htm
Mr Stokes in his theosophic magazine confirmed Mr Harris ------
"I was furnished with photographs of most of these . . . [Judge] documents.
These I compared, with the assistance of old friends of Judge, with
unquestionably genuine and personal letters of Judge in their possession and
in the presence of a person expert in examining handwriting, and the
unanimous conclusion was that the documents were actually written by Judge."
But Frank, ULT folk aren't interested in truth about this. I predict Mr
TenBroeck will avoid making statement on what you've posted. They prefer to
defame Mrs Tingley & distort record about Mr Crosbie.
"The white dove of truth has hardly room where to rest her weary unwelcome
foot."
"Error runs down an inclined plane, while Truth has to laboriously climb its
way up hill."
David
From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <ringding@blinx.de>
The historical facts completely contradict the charge that the people named
'Concocted' the notes, or memoranda, (sometimes miscalled the 'diary') in
Mr. Judge's own handwriting. These Mr. Neresheimer naturally did not find
in
the Judge Diary in his possession; they were written by Mr. Judge on
fragments of paper, of which Mr. Neresheimer was fully cognizant at the
time
of Mr. Judge's death, as borne out by statements made by him at the time.
Later, on a visit to Point Loma, Mr. Neresheimer admitted in the presence
of
his wife and other witnesses that the fragments of 'messages and
quotations'
published by Mr. Fussell and Mr. Hargrove were actually in Mr. Judge's
handwriting.
The details of the Judge 'diary' and the above-mentioned libellous charge
and its refutation are set forth in The Theosophical Forum, Point Loma,
Calif., Vol. IV, No. 5, January, 1933, and No. 7, march, 1933. Dr. H. N.
Stokes' O. E. LIBRARY CRITIC of Washington, D. C., issue of September, 1932
reproduces the actual language of seven of these 'messages and quotations'
under the heading 'The Judge 'Occult Diary'. Vindication of Tingley,
Fussell, Hargrove."
Dr. Stokes published further facts in this case in his issue of October,
1932 and March, 1933.
I have seen the originals of these 'messages and quotations' in Mr. Judge's
handwriting, and I showed photographic copies of them to Miss Margaret
Thomas (an active U.L.T: member) at Oakley House, Bromley Common, Kent,
England, while I was attached to Dr. de Purucker's staff during the
temporary transference thither of the International Headquarters of The
Theosophical Society )Point Loma) in 1932-1933.
The anonymous author or authors of the U.L.T. History of the Theosophical
Movement have persistently maintained that the statement that Katherine
Tingley was 'appointed' by Mr. Judge as his esoteric 'Successor' is
untenable and even fraudulent. But the Founder of the United Lodge, Robert
Crosbie, fully aware of the documents on which the Esoteric Council at the
Headquarters in New York accepted Katherine Tingley as having been pointed
to (if not literally appointed) by W. Q. Judge to succeed him as Head of
the
Esoeric Section, for years thereafter was among the most outspoken in
proclaiming the fact and the strength of Katherine Tingley's successorship.
Witness, for example, the long article titled "The Sifting Process"
published in The Search Light Light Vol. I, April, 1898. over the
signature
of Robert Crosbie. (Reprinted in The Theo-sophical Forum, Point Lam,
Calif.,
Vol. III, Page 253, August 15, 1932, and in THE O. E. LIBRARY CRITIC,
March,
1933, Vol. XXII, No. 4). Why does the U.L.T. suppress the following from an
address given by their Founder, Robert Crosbie, in the Fisher Opera House,
San Diego, California, at a series of meetings in honor of William Q.
Judge,
on March 29th and April 1st, 1901 - five years after Judge's death?:
"It should be noted that the Leaders of the Theosophical Movements did not
become so by virtue of an election by vote - nor were they self-appointed.
Mme. Blavatsky was the first leader, by the force of her wisdom and power
of
leadership, and all the true students of Theosophy accepted her as such.
And
when she appointed William Q. Judge as her successor, his leadership was
accepted for the same reason - and so, too, with Katherine Tingley, who was
appointed by William Q. Judge as his successor. And when she dies she will
appoint her successsor who will be followed by the faithful members - - And
thus is preserved the line of teachers and the continuity of the
MoveMovement."
A later change of attitude which led Mr. Crosbie to found the United Lodge
of Theosophists, cannot alter the historic facts on which he based his
judgment consistently and continuously for at least five years following
Mr.
Judge's death.
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