Theos-Talk Archives (February 2001 Message tt00096)

Hello Frank,
>thanks for answer. I see, we are on different planes.

Your reply prompted me to do some internet research on the subject and as
you can see I have use the current form of "Dugpa" in the subject line. I
hope our flight schedules now coincide.

>HPB used the term with occult backgriund, wheras you
>use the word with scientific knowledge.

In our search for the truth we should not be a respecter of personalities
whether they be HPB or Mahatmas, but rather, rely on the facts. Waddell, a
scholar, claims these theosophists are wrong.
It is an important question because it now becomes a slur against the
Bhutanese people (who have recently incorporated internet and TV into their
kingdom.):
http://www.bootan.com/articles/king.htm
http://www.bootan.com/bhutan.htm


>You are simply playing with the words, the gramma etc.
>but that does not alter the meaning.

Not at all.
Here is a site about the Drukpa religion:
http://www.drukpa-kargyud.org/

>For a Theosophist the Dugpas are basicly black magians,
>for others not. What then?

Now they are, but the theosophists original premise may be wrong.

>For some Hitler is a bad person, for others he is a hero.
>But for those who give him bad names it is no misuse fo terms
>as they are subjectively convinst that he was evil.

In the case of Hitler there is evidence.
I'm not saying the Drukpa are not influenced by Indian tantra- they are;
they do practice magic. So are other Tibetan sects.
It is aspects of the Bhon religion that the Nin ma practice that is more of
a problem.

There are even a couple of Drukpa mailing lists here at yahoogroups:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMYL/message/24
Maybe they should come on to this list and explain their position.

>Or, if you like, you can rename the Dupgas as Donald Duck, but even if they
>are all called Donalds they remain what they are, the unreformed remnants
>whose direction is to the left hand path.

They may be left hand path as well- let's see what they have to say for
themselves.
I make a distinction between left hand path and black magician BTW. Black
Magicians work alone as they are not to be trusted by anyone.

Fraternally,
Bruce