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RE: Understanding our Inner Selves and Helping Evolution

Apr 01, 2001 05:50 AM
by dalval14


Saturday, March 31, 2001

 

 

Dear Friend Ananda:

 

 

Let me insert some notes in the body of your query below.

 

I would say, generally that if you secure and read Mme. Blavatsky’s THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY and with some referral to THE SECRET DOCTRINE  (using the INDEX to that book is a helpful idea.  You will find most of your questions already answered there and with great precision.

 

Additionally, the research that you may do will have greater impact on you than anything others (like myself) may offer -- you will still have to verify their accuracy yourself.

 

Best wishes,

 

Dallas

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: AnandaYoga@aol.com [mailto:AnandaYoga@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 2:23 PM
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
Subject: Theos-World Helping evolution

 

Dear Sirs,


      Again I require some input.  

 

I do thank you for your input on evolving souls and their intentions.        

 


      Man is a state of being, is this correct. Is this state as we learn in
a science?  

 

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            DTB      According to Theosophy “man” is far more than a physical body. (see S.D. Vol. I, pp 181-2)   Innate to him is the Mind.  From the Mind come Thought, Memory, Anticipation, and a Moral sense of universal Justice (Karma)  ( see KEY --Original Edition 1889--  pp. 92-3, 121, 135-6, 144, 158-9, 164-5, 178-81, 189-90),

 

Yes you may say that HUMANITY or MANKIND represents the stage and the developing powers of the MIND as an independent faculty and power.  It is, as “mind,” a “tool” of the INNER SELF (the MONAD -- Atma-Buddhi)   That is because it can be selectively used to investigate a subject chosen by the Inner Self. 

 

ThisInner or Higher Self (ATMA) is the ”dweller in the body.”  And the mind, the desires, the life-principle, the astral body and the physical body are some of its “tools.” 

 

But even more important to understand is that the Spiritual being, the ATMA animatesand sustains all its tools for their own good.  They are also MONADS or “eternal and imperishable “Life-Units.”  They have their own evolutionary work (see S.D. I 181).  the Universal ATMA working through the individual Monadic ATMA, of each “Life-Unit,”  sustains all the ‘Monads of lesser experience” through their pilgrimage from plane to plane and from stage to stage as represented by the 7-fold ladder of principles (or active agents) and the 7 planes of possible experience.

 

Eachhuman being that attains the MIND STAGE has to pass through the fire of testing.  It is seemingly independent, and can choose from moment to moment its own future “path.”  With this power also comes RESPONSIBILITY.  Being able to think, to remember and to anticipate possible results, gives the embodied SELF  ( the Lower-Mind or Kama-Manas) the power to create its own future.

 

It has two broad “paths” before it. 

 

1.         It can learn and act according to UNIVERSAL LAW, and this is the uniting of Manas and Buddhi -- these form  the WISE-MIND.  Thus, in such a case where it chooses to be virtuous, to obey Universal Law, it becomes an agentand an assistant to the universal Evolutionary scheme -- its increase in VIRTUEcauses the Spiritual Universe tom open before it and that becomes its unlimited oruniversal vision.  This is DHYANA or the power of the “CEASELESS CONTEMPLATION, of TRUTH and KARMA as universal Law.  At death the volume of spiritual memories is large and these form the “food” for a long Devachan(see in KEY pp. 10, 107-8, 145, 147-8, 177-8, 216-7.) before the next rebirth.  [ If you do not have a copy of the original THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY by H.P.B., then you can refer to it through:  http://www.blavatsky.net ]  Devachan is a period during whichthe spiritual thoughts and impulses are meditated on by the MONAD through the Higher EGO  (Buddhi-Manas) and are then built into the permanent MEMORY of the MONAD  ( ATMA-BUDDHI)  This forms the increment of excellence in our forthcoming incarnation when improvementis to be noted in character and capacity, talents and genius.

 

2.  or, being independent, and under the sway of desire and passion, as Kama-Manas, it may choose to be selfishly independent -- and break the “Laws of nature.”  This is called VICE.  The end result at death is that most of the memories are not fit for Devachan.  Rebirth will see that the “skandhas” or “monads of lesser experience” will return to it under Karma andform the various “principles” of its Personality again.

 

The complex physical brain is a tool of the mind.  Science does not yet recognize the SOUL or the independence of the INTELLECTUAL process from the limits of the brain.  The ancient science of the mind in India, as for instance the YOG SUTRAS OF PATANJALI, demonstrate this wisdomis very old and very complete.  (Mr. Judge published a translation of these along with some valuable comments.)

 

One may say that every Mahatma and every Rishi has passed through the HUMAN STAGE and has INDEPENDENTLY developed the mental faculties.  (see S.D. Vol. I pp 570-575)

 

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Are the planetary logos Monads of a sort.

 

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            DTB      Each Universe, each Galaxy, each solar system, and finally each Planet -- has an INTELLIGENCE that acts as the Agent for the Universal law of PROGRESS and EVOLUTION.  It assists and guides the creative and the building aspect of evolution.  In terms of its wisdom, one may say that at a very long time ago it passed through the experiences of the human (Manasic) stage. 

 

As you correctly surmise each “Planetary Logos” has passed victoriously through the “Man-Stage.”  It has assumed responsibility fora far more complex and wider task.  But as a preliminary to successfully pass through the Man-stage, it has to become completely harmless to all other beings and to itself..  It becomes an incarnation of virtue.  There can be no abuse of power, no selfishness, no favorites in such a condition.

 

The word LOGOS translates WORD.  One cannot speak unless one has thoughts.  Thoughts imply in such case a PLAN for a fresh manifestation min which all the old MONADS  ( Atma-Buddhis entities) will resume their obligatory duties and return to the active pathof the Eternal Pilgrim -= which is the search for TRUTH.

 

By drawing attention to the LOGOS -- the MONAD that is within every Man (and other being) the possibility of being self-enlightened is made possible and clear.  It also serves as the base concept for Universal Brotherhood.

 

Lookon some of the answers given below as evidence of the cohesion and inter-dependence of Theosophical doctrines -- each one is essential to all the rest.

 

 

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The moon is the old earth?  Its life atoms have left and re-gathered on our now earth.  

 

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            DTB      That is generally the teaching you will find in S.D. l. 152 to 202.

Al the “life-atoms” are the imperishable and immortal MONADS  ( Jivas ).  They form the basis for the whole of the Universal as well as our Earth’s  Evolutionary scheme.  They are the MIND (Soul)  in Man and as Patanjali says :  “For the sake of the Soul the Universe exists.” (see Patanjali YOGA APHORISMS , p. 25-6,  Book 1, verses 18 and 20-21)

 

The previous incarnation of our Earth and all the uncountable MONADS concerned and involved in that evolution return together to for what we now call our EARTH.  The S.D. teaches thatthe Moon will dissolve before the 7th ROUND  ( S.D. I 155 fn)

 

 

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Do the planetary logos, then have 7 planes or stages of existence.  How is it that
we have parent planetary logos that help our Earth.  Is this Saturn?

 

 

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            DTB      Every beingin the Universe has seven aspects or “Principles.”  (see

S.D. I p. 157,  S.D. II 596,  and  KEY:   pp. 91-2, 134-6, 175-6)  In the VICE OF THE SILENCE, see 3rd Fragment (pp 52-3) where the 7 “Keys” are offered -- they are VIRTUES or the practice ofTheosophical and Universal truths that unlock the doors to our own inner selves (the ETERNAL MONAD).

 

The “Planetary Logos” that assists and guides our Earth (and humanity) is hinted at in the S.D. (see Vol. 1, 207-210, 272-9.)  It is to be clearly understood this is NOT A GOD nor can any ordinary “prayers” ever reach IT. It is given the name of THE GREAT SACRIFICE.  In ancient Hindu philosophy it was used as an image of universal excellence:  the TRIMURTI, orthe spiritualized GUNAS.  Each has a specific duty in manvantara, and this dovetails with the other two in a perfect harmony of what appear to us as discords.  It is ETERNAL and presides over the string of evolutionary sequences that relate (under KARMA) to this Earth and the beings (like you and me) which are connected with it..

 

The “Planetary Logos” is a spiritual Being  (a Dhyani, a Maha-Rishi) that is in effect the HIGHEST aspect of the MONAD in IT.  In us it is potential it may be called (in us) Atma-Buddhi-Manas, and as this Immortal is present in each of us, we are automatically BROTHERS to all others. If we are able to make our lives attuned to the high spiritual conditions that are implied in these concepts, we will have purified our own personality (that is the Monads of lesser experience that are associated with us) and we will be able to see SPIRITUAL BEINGS everywhere.  We will also realize our duty to them is to assist them on their continuing progress.  They are in effect “our children.”

 

Such is the natural effect of self-controlled personal purification and evolution.  It is symbolized in the BHAGAVAD GITA by the victory of the virtuous Pandavas over the vicious Kauravas (Kurus).  Sri Krishna as portrayed there is symbolic of the “Planetary Logos” of our Earth  and also of the UNIVERSAL LOGOS.  Truth and goodness and virtue are all one.  We have to understand and adopt them into our own living.

 

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      Again, I ask for your patience in my questioning, words are limiting
and I can only hope that through all these questions you can see where the
blockage is.  These questions are coming from SD Vol. 1.  The Mahatma Letters
and finally The Esoteric Tradition.  I read and reread and meditate and
reread and so on.  I have been reading the conversations here, and youdo
seem to clarify many points.  


      Any help will be appreciated.

Ananda

 

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=== Best wishes.

 

It will help if you are able to give the actual pages you are studying.  Answers can be made more precise.

 

Dallas

 

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