Theos-Talk Archives (July 2001 Message tt00307)

Yes, but when Jesus was asked whether he was the son of God, he said, " No, I 
am the son of man." Also, when asked where he had gained his wisdom, he 
answered, "From my father in heaven"... Which, as HPB pointed out, meant his 
physical father -- who, as a Rebbe, like all orthodox Jews of that time, 
taught young Yeshua (while sitting at his father's feet as a carpenters 
apprentice) the wisdom of the Kabbala. 

In no way did Jesus ever make any pronouncement that he was a Master or an 
Adept -- which could only be inferred by his teachings and his so called, 
"miracles." (And, even all that is based on hearsay and second hand 
information -- most likely further distorted in the NT by the crafty priests 
who edited and published it -- as Leadbeater similarly distorted HPB's 
teachings of theosophy.)

How does that equate with someone who states he is a Master or Adept without 
offering proof, through his writings or by his actions, that he is truly a 
wise man? 

As for your previous remark about Lazarus, how do we know that he was really 
dead? Jesus as a "wise healer" could easily have determined the difference 
between a coma, which baffled the ordinary people of that time, and actual 
death?

As HPB also pointed out... There is no such thing as miracles or supernatural 
occurrences -- which are only the "effects" of an understanding and 
application of the occult scientific (and "causal") laws of nature (on all 
seven levels of consciousness) based on fundamental principles. Miracles, as 
any professional magician or illusionist can demonstrate, are only in the 
eyes and mind of the ignorant beholder... Nothing more than "glamour" based 
on a profound understanding of human psychology and the power of "suggestion" 
-- as HPB admitted. 

LHM

In a message dated 07/25/01 10:38:27 PM, johnb@quickinfo.net writes:

>"-- I would ask... How do you know whether or not Pythagorus allowed his
>students to call him that?"
>
> From a library book that I don't have here. But you can check this
>reference.
>http://www.consciousevolution.com/Pythagoras/pythagoras06.html
>
>"However, even if he did allow it, did he also allow non students the same
>right by claiming the title in a public book or outside his school?"
>
> Yes, the residents of Crotona also called him that. I'm sure he could
>have asked them to stop if he didn't like it.
>
> The Masters must have good reasons for their reclusiveness. I'm sure
>they have work to do, and don't want to be bothered. Additionally, they
>do not compel humanity to believe in them. But the position of a teacher
>is very different - he tells what he knows, within the limits of his vows and
>common sense. In terms of drawing attention to himself, Leadbeater doesn't
>hold a candle to HPB. And what about Jesus: "I and the Father are one."
>Was he bragging? No, he was teaching.