Theos-Talk Archives (August 2001 Message tt00143)

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Subject: Theos-World To Dennis Kier: about THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT
book


>
> Dear Dennis,
>
> Concerning the book THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT [both
> 1925 and 1951 editions], you will notice that in the
> chapters on Katherine Tingley that the anonymous ULT
> writer tries his best to throw doubt on certain
> quotations attributed to William Q. Judge. These
> quotations are found in the E.S.T. circular headed "To
> the Members of the E.S.T." and dated "April 3rd,
> 1896."
>
> Looking on page 9 of this circular, I find the
> following:
>
> "This is the 'Rajah's' [Judge's] statement in regard
> to our new Outer Head [Mrs. Tingley]: 'This Head is
> as true as steel, as clear as a diamond, as lasting as
> time.'"
>
> Judge's statement is in italics.
>
> It would appear that the anonymous ULT writer
> considered this as one of the many bogus Judge
> quotations to be found in the 1896 document.
>
> Yet in 1902 Robert Crosbie not only spoke of Mrs.
> Tingley as Judge's "chosen succesor" but gives in the
> following words this same Judge quote:
>
> "We feel that he [William Q. Judge] knows of the
> self-sacrificing efforts made by the faithful ones,
> and that those efforts have been called forth by his
> chosen successor [Mrs Tingley], of whom he [Judge]
> said, 'she is true as steel, as clear as diamond, and
> as lasting as time.'"
>
> In 1902 Robert Crosbie had no doubt that this quote
> was bona fide Judge. Later he must have changed his
> mind.
>
> SIDE NOTE: In the E.S.T. circular of 1896 are many
> other quotations attributed to Judge and said to be
> taken from one or more of Judge's diaries. The ULT's
> THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT book considers these bogus, ie.
> not written by W.Q. Judge. They are considered
> concoctions and fakes but I have seen the original of
> Judge's 1894 diary and it appears to be in Judge's
> handwriting. Many of the quotes in the 1896 circular
> are to be found in this 1894 diary. I also have a
> transcription of this diary. Also I have seen
> photocopies in what appears to be Judge's handwriting
> of other quotes that are found in the 1896 circular.
>
> Daniel
>


Thank You.
It is all sort of confusing. It does look, to me, as though in some
places the book is propaganda, intent on persuading instead of
informing.

It is probably a good idea -with this book- to require another honest
source before believing much of any of the things this writer says.

Since the ULT knowingly pushes this book, probably anything that ULT
advocates is suspect.

I can see that, if one believes this book, the views of some of the
ULT members expressed here are more reasonable, but I would think that
most people would catch the bias before they go very far.

I am reminded that when Annie Besant wanted to join the Society, HPB
gave her a copy of the Hodson Report, and told her to go read that,
and if after reading it, she still wanted to join, it was OK. She read
it, and could see the bias in the language, and did join.

I should think most anyone could see the bias in this ULT book.

Dennis