Theos-Talk Archives (August 2001 Message tt00256)

>In a message dated 08/20/01 8:52:08 PM, eldon@theosophy.com writes:
  
(LHM)
>And, since when did the Dhyan Chohans "make" the 
>laws? I always thought, as explained (the 2nd 
>Fundamental Principle) in the Proem to the Secret 
>Doctrine, that the fundamental laws of cycles and 
>periodicity, which would govern both Karma and 
>its derivative action of Tanha, were inherent in the 
>nature of the Absolute prior its manifestation -- 
>before any so called Dhyan Chohans (as conscious 
>entities) might appear on the scene. If so -- then, 
>how would the Dhyan Chohans, be able to do anything 
>to change or "make" those laws?

(Eldon)
As I understand it, there are two One's or Absolutes,
with laws and ways of relating to existence. The first
is truly unknowable, and deals with the patterns of
how things work in an ultimate sense. It is what we'd
truly call infinite, since it bears no direct relation
to any particular thing, however lofty.

The second One is the Head of a particular scheme of
existence. However big or grand this particular world
or universe is, it is finite, has a top, has limits,
can be transcend, and is measurable on some scale.
When we talk about the start of things, we're talking
about the start of one of these schemes, patterned
according to absolute Law, but resulting from the
incarnation or embodiment of a particular being. Within
this being are a multitude of life-atoms, the inhabitants
of that "universe".

(LHM) [*---*=italics]
Nevertheless, the infinite and unknowable primary Absolute *beness* or 
abstract *rootles root* of all that is, was, or ever will be-- must contain 
all the potentialities hidden in the "patterns of how things work" which are 
essentially the *Fundamental Laws* themselves (based on abstract or non 
linear motion) that determines all the aspects and attributes of any so 
called secondary "Absolute" (if there can be such a thing) that interprets 
those Fundamental Laws into laws of concretized or linear motion or action -- 
that, in turn, governs the lesser more and more objective existence's or 
*beings* that follow. (Note that "action," in this concrete or linear sense, 
refers to the effects of motion on all aspects of matter from the highest 
mental imagery, bodily forms, and cosmic constructions of the Dhyan Chohans 
to the lowest imaginations, physical forms, and material constructions of 
Man.) 

Essentially, then, such "patterns of how things work" are´the Fundamental 
Laws that are directly related to motion, whether abstract (nonlinear) or 
concrete (linear) -- that HPB said, "can never cease, and must forever be."  
Therefore, those secondary "laws" governing concrete existence (and linear 
motion) are directly connected to and are derived from the Fundamental Laws 
of "abstract (nonlinear) motion" that preceded them.  

These two aspects of the primary and secondary laws themselves, of course, do 
not refer to the "patterns of existence" carried by the abstract motion 
itself (which I call, the holographic interference patterns of spin 
constituting the *memory* in the "spinergy") -- and which might be described 
as the source of the mental images of the Dhyan Chohans upon which they base 
the reconstruction of the Cosmos after each Pralaya. Here, "spinergy" is 
defined as the infinite energy of the Absolute in the abstract spin-motion 
circulating around the primal zero [laya] point that rests in infinite 
duration. (This may not be, however, the eternal "Mother who rests in 
Paranishpanna" -- which appears to be only one aspect of the initial spinergy 
or "Mother of mothers" that refers solely to our particular cosmos.)

Thus, the primal infinite Absolute -- even though we can never know or 
imagine it in our finite minds -- must be this also infinite abstract motion 
itself, as well as its infinite laya points of consciousness, along with all 
the root holographic patterns of everything (consisting of matter) that 
subsequently can be... All of which, together, ultimately determines and 
governs the hierarchical mentalities, the holographic structural imageries, 
and the karma's of all finite universes and beings that are continually 
projected out of it and drawn back into it in endless cycles -- without ever 
diminishing it or enlarging it... Thus, forever remaining the one and only 
Absolute rootless root or beness... Which, being entirely without attributes 
(although, still having aspects or potentialities) -- must forever remain 
unimaginable and inconceivable to lower mind. (Although, not necessarily so 
in the highest aspects of higher or Buddhi Mind -- if I read HPB, Buddha, Lao 
Tse, and Patanjali correctly.)

(Eldon)
The first type of Laws, relating to the Ultimate, are
more what you're referring to. The second type of
laws, which refer to the governing of the behavior of
matter and beings that exist within the matrix of life
created by the second One, are what I'm talking about.

(LHM)
Yes... But -- since the "laws" you speak of governing the "behavior of 
matter" are essentially governed by the Fundamental Law of cycles and 
periodicity -- in my view, they can't be separated from the Fundamental 
nature of the *One* Absolute source of all. In addition, the beings or 
structures of the Cosmos -- of which the Dhyan Chohans are the First 
Architects or Builders -- being finite in their numbers as well as in their 
functions, cannot be considered as part of that "Absolute" (although they 
emanate out of it along with the Cosmos in its first logos). Didn't Krishna 
say, "I create this whole universe out of one small part of myself, and yet 
remain separate"? Also, as HPB pointed out, the physical laws that govern 
matter and the spiritual and mental or psychic, laws" that govern the 
"behavior of man" are not the same -- although they are all "rooted" in and 
determined by the Fundamental and Absolute Law I speak of -- that, as I see 
it, is actually the only real "creator" of the three, seven and fourteen fold 
Universe that the Dhyan Chohans "imagine" the *blueprint* of, and later, 
"oversee" its construction or formation. This is evident by the laws of 
analogy and correspondence, which the ancients grouped under the general term 
"affinity," or in the expression, "As above, so below." 

Thus, apparently, (and by definition as well, I believe) there cannot be "two 
Absolutes." So I've been told -- there is simply one "Rootless Root," 
represented by the One (yet triune) "Absolute" (containing the root of *all* 
the laws of action after manifestations) in addition to, upon each 
manifestation, a subsequent "Tree of Life," represented by the two logos (in 
which appear the Dhyan Chohans) that precedes the material Cosmos (which is 
also triune). Nor, can the Dhyan Chohans have anything to do with either 
creating laws, or even creating the Cosmos -- since, as Solomon said, "There 
is nothing new under the LORD" -- referring to the highest Fundamental LAW 
(as his statement is interpreted in the Kabbala). It follows that the Dhyan 
Chohans, besides being "interpreters " of the fundamental Laws from nonlinear 
to linear, are simply the first *agents* of the "one reality," or Absolute, 
that are the intelligent guides or "constructors" throughout its initial 
phases of manifestation -- which apparently is, however, preordained by the 
information (blueprint) contained in its infinite "spinergy" that remains 
unchanged in eternal duration -- (although "information" in the form of "spin 
wave patterns" can be added to it upon reabsorption of the seven primal 
"rays" after each Manvantara). 

I hope this offers some clarification, and more food for thought for those 
participating in (or listening in to :-) this discussion. 

I'm sure Eldon would agree that all comments and questions are welcome.

LHM