Theos-Talk Archives (December 2001 Message tt00174)

What evil people ?


--- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Sufilight" <teosophy@m...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brigitte,
> 
> Why is it important to be interestd in what evil schemes some 
people might make or not or have made or not ??
> To some people the below is - a lie. And of course also to others 
not. And that is why I ask you these question.
> 
> Why is - the good words and good deeds of good and honest people - 
not - much more important ?? Why not ??
> What has evil people to offer ??
> Well I just felt, that I would ask you, in a polite manner that is.
> 
> from
> Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bri_mue" <bri_mue@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:16 AM
> Subject: Theos-World "Nazi -UFO" myth and Theosophy III.
> 
> 
> > Dennis: "That Old Devil Charles Leadbeater again!"
> > Why can you not show some activity also, and look in the index ?
> > I think I said enough below, and I think as a whole it stands, 
why 
> > don't you respond to that instead of only nitpicking ? 
> > And since this is a "discussion" group maybe giving you "own" 
> > opinion would be more productive.
> > 
> > The reason why Theosophy has something to do with it from 
starters is 
> > becouse the whole UFO myth goos back to story's in the Secret 
> > Doctrine ,about earlier planetary situations. As Blavatsky's SD 
> > could not be kept to conform with physical reality as it 
originally 
> > claimed to be, contents where transformed to meat more modern 
> > circumstances. flying saucers in a way replaced astral travel as 
> > means of getting around. In many contactee accounts during the 
> > fifties, no flying saucer is included at all. Venusians walk the 
> > streets of urban America ready to talk to anyone aware enough to 
> > recognise them
> > 
> > Young people in the US that time also had been reading about 
> > extraterrestrials for years in such magazines as Amazing Stories 
and 
> > Astounding Science Fiction. The editor of Amazing, Raymond A. 
Palmer 
> > embraced the "new" phenomenon of flying saucers. 
> > Ray Palmer, editor of Amazing Stories SF magazine, often boasted 
he
> > could turn any crackpot idea into a salable story. One day in 
1944 a
> > weird manuscript arrived at his office. It was purportedly
> > non-fiction, and it described how a race of underground beings 
were
> > responsible for all the mayhem and madness in the world. The 
author
> > of this strange opus was Richard Shaver, a welder from 
Pennsylvania.
> > Shaver exhibited many of the classic symptoms of paranoid
> > schizophrenia (persecution by unknown forces, ill health caused by
> > mysterious "rays," hearing voices), but Ray Palmer saw
> > gold in the other man's delusions. He re-wrote Shaver's manuscript
> > into a "fiction-fact" story called "I Remember Lemuria!" and
> > published it. Shaver's paranoia, coupled with Palmer's 
> > exposition of the wonders of alien super-science, ignited the
> > readership. Circulation soared, and the letters column of Amazing 
was
> > swamped with notes from people claiming experiences just like
> > Shaver's.
> > 
> > The first ten years after the Arnold sightings in 1947 saw the 
growth 
> > of an interest in physical flying saucers (that we can hardly 
> > understand now, plagued as we are since then by more 
psychological 
> > tales of abduction and ancient gods.) Then, the search for an 
> > explanation generally started from the premise that what had been 
> > seen - and a lot of shiny, revolving flying-saucerish things were 
> > reported as really having been seen - were physically real. On 
that 
> > basis the choice was whether they were terrestrial or extra-
> > terrestrial, and for those who weren't prepared to believe in the 
> > reality of extra-terrestrial craft and their extra-terrestrial 
> > occupants, there was a further choice - were they friends or 
enemies, 
> > US or Soviet, and how could anyone tell?
> > 
> > Wendelle Stevens talked at a recent UFO conference and 
> > explained "There were apparently nine secret bases in Germany 
working 
> > on anti-gravity vehicles. One involved BMW. Stevens even recalls 
> > seeing a map of the base locations in recovered German documents 
> > while in the AF, but it was shredded. After Hitler learned that 
he 
> > could not use these antigravity vehicles in the war, he launched 
two 
> > expeditions to the Antarctic led by Admiral Richard, one in 1938 
and 
> > one in 1942 after the eastern front losses. The work on flying 
disks 
> > continued there. According to Meier case documents, Ptah said 334 
> > members of a secret German society continued the work that has 
> > remained secret even today. Stevens also mentioned that Adrian of 
the 
> > Miami contacts said he and his girl friend were taken by 
Pleiadians 
> > to a secret base in SW Brazil where they saw German style saucers 
> > parked on pedestals. And I recall from that case that Adrian was 
told 
> > that some of the German scientists' children were raised on the 
> > Pleiadies and are now back here working for BMW. Finally, at last 
> > years conference a retired NRO gentleman presented us privately a 
> > picture labeled Haunebu 5, made by German, American, and 
Aldebaran 
> > scientists in Antarctica."
> > 
> > The identification of the theosophical (hierarchical) "Masters" 
with 
> > beings from space is pre-figured in theosophical litterature. For 
> > example Charles Leadbeater speaking of the Masters explains: We 
see 
> > that it is merely a brotherhood of humanity, or even of life this 
> > Chain of world, but that all Chains in the Solar System mutually 
> > interact and help one another. I have no direct evidence that 
Solar 
> > Systems give assistance to each other in such ways, but I should 
> > imagine it by analogy to be most certain that even that is done. 
At 
> > least I have myself seen Visitors from other systems..
(Leadbeater"The 
> > Masters and the Path")
> > Desmond Leslie in his chapters on "Flying Saucers Have Landed", 
> > makes much of saucers in Atlantis, ancient India, and medieval 
> > Europe, often using Theosophical texsts like the Secret Doctrine 
as 
> > resources.
> > In 1844, two French priests, Evariste Huc and Father Gabet, 
entered 
> > Tibet. They were the first to write a detailed account of the 
> > country, published in 1850. Translated into English 
as "Recollections 
> > of Travel in Tartary, Tibet and China", a Blavatsky's 
appropriation 
> > of part of their narrative, claiming it to be her own travels, 
they 
> > would come to influence modern esoteric traditions.
> > However since Tibet became more accesable, the believe in beings 
from 
> > outer space more effectivly withdraws these newer messengers and 
> > their sources from the scrutiny of outsiders.
> > 
> > Like the Theosophical Society, the Aetherius Society (a large UFO 
> > organisation) has Masters for example; though they tend to be on 
> > other planets rather than in the Himalayas. 
> > So instead of Blavatsky's invented Masters, people started to 
find 
> > in Adamski, Ruth Norman (Unarius), Understanding Inc. (Dan Fry) , 
> > Mark- Age,not to forget the I Am movement and their off 
> > shoots,Extraterrestrial Earth Mission, Heaven's Gate, 
Universarium 
> > Foundation and so on, their organizers, bischops, and overseers, 
who 
> > maintain that the Masters are from outher space.
> > 
> > And of course messages from aliens both proceded the rise of the 
> > Master mythology and the current wave of UFO's, one of the many 
> > inspirors of Blavatsky Emanuel Swedenborg, claimed to have spoken 
> > with spirits from other planets.
> > 
> > Brigitte.
> > 
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http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a7502210/index.html 
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