Theos-Talk Archives (December 2001 Message tt00422)

Hi Paul, and all of you,

Paul I have to say - that you - as I understood you - was in agreement with, that we should seek - a better communication on this list. The below - I find not so fruitfull.

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You wrote:
If it were possible for Theosophists 
> to organize a lynching party to "deal properly with" heretical 
> authors, I feel absolutely sure that Dallas would be in front of the 
> pack. This is based on many years of observation, and is not a 
> conclusion reached lightly.
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I maybe went a little to far in one of my latest email to you - stating, that I thought you were lying, - maybe I was to hard on you !?? ( If so I apologize to you.)

Let us write in a more polite manner - after all we are here to debate - not to terminate debate. Or are we?

still happy
with the christmas spirit riding high

Hi-ho Hi-ho

from Sufilight


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:26 PM
Subject: Theos-World Reply to Adelaisie


> Dear Adelaisie,
> 
> Welcome to the list. Since our perceptions are so diametrically 
> opposed, I'll just try to point out factors that would modify your 
> perspective if you took them into account. You wrote:
> 
> > Anyone who thinks that Dallas posts as he does in order to attack 
> > someone without their knowledge hasn't been paying very close 
> > attention to what Dallas is saying. It is always thus, that those 
> who offer their heart and soul in an attempt to bring some truth, 
> some light and wisdom, into the world, are crucified by those they 
> try to help. 
> 
> I tell you in all sincerity that the above phrase expresses exactly 
> why I spent years devoted to historical investigation of HPB and 
> writing books about her. Most Theosophists who publicly commented on 
> them, including many prominent ones who reviewed my works in such 
> journals as The Quest, Le Lotus Bleu, Theosophy in Australia, the 
> Theosophical Journal (UK) recognized and appreciated my books 
> precisely as the work of someone who offered heart and soul in an 
> attempt to bring some truth, some light and wisdom, into the world.  
> As I said in the foreword to The Masters Revealed, "this book has 
> been written in the hope that HPB and Theosophy will be judged with 
> greater wisdom and objectivity in the future." Of all the people who 
> have reacted with extreme hostility and unreasoning aggression to 
> that effort, Dallas has been the most extreme. The most personally 
> insulting, the most indifferent to the disagreement of others, even 
> Daniel, when he has bashed me personally for years with all manner of 
> false accusations as to motive. If it were possible for Theosophists 
> to organize a lynching party to "deal properly with" heretical 
> authors, I feel absolutely sure that Dallas would be in front of the 
> pack. This is based on many years of observation, and is not a 
> conclusion reached lightly.
> 
> Dallas' comments are uniformly devoted to revealing the inner 
> > meaning of theosophical teachings,
> 
> AS HE SEES THEM, and rudely dismissing the inner meaning as seen by 
> others.
> 
> to defending those wrongly 
> > abused,
> 
> To wrongly abusing those whom he falsely and stubbornly perceives as 
> attacking HPB and Theosophy,
> 
> > and he offers his comments with humility and devotion.
> 
> With the self-righteousness and fervor of a self-appointed 
> Theosophical Grand Inquisitor,
> 
> He 
> > has a more complete understanding of these teachings than most 
> > of us,
> 
> For some value of "complete" but not for others,
> 
> >and if we only could see that he is offering us the very things we 
> need the most, we would stop trying to manipulate his words 
> > and pay attention instead to what he is trying to show us. 
> > Theosophy belongs to all humanity. It is not a game or an 
> > intellectual exercise.
> 
> Precisely. Why then should individuals take it upon themselves to 
> present their own sectarian, limited understanding of a small body of 
> theosophical literature as the be-all and end-all of universal 
> truth? That's a game, an intellectual exercise, if there ever was 
> one. Real truth-seeking isn't about citing chapter and verse and 
> beating down all dissent.
> 
> It is our heart's blood. It is us, the real inner 
> > Self of us all. We can ignore its truths,
> 
> Which we most certainly do when we presume to place ourselves above 
> others and preach relentlessly to them, showing disrespect to our 
> fellows despite the basic message of respect for all.
> 
> snip
> 
> > the war that is upon us. How long will humanity continue to repay 
> > generosity and devotion with slander and hostility?
> 
> More to the point, how long will fundamentalist Theosophists repay 
> the generosity and devotion of those they deem heretics with slander 
> and hostility?
> 
> How much 
> > longer do we really have to play that useless and destructive 
> > game? 
> 
> As long as fundamentalism has us in its grip.
> 
> > them. We should be saying thank you, with all our hearts.
> > 
> > Adelasie
> 
> We should be saying thank you to Steve and Brigitte for offering more 
> fresh perspectives for discussion than any true believers have come 
> up with here in years.
> 
> Thank you, with all my heart, for the opportunity to register my 
> profound disagreement.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
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