Theos-Talk Archives (December 2001 Message tt00493)

This is my last word on this subject of Theosophy and UFO's.
It is true that for example the serious Bertelsmann lexicon names 
Daniken an interpreter of theosophical doctrines. 

Based on that I started to research/show the development on this list 
starting with the early contact movement that startet with Adamski 
(mentioned by Frank) and the Royal Order of Tibet.
However the Gregory Douglas Nazi-UFO theory, although also belonging 
to the the same trend as the above wants to lead the theosophycally 
originated myth of outher space "beings" into a rather different 
direction.

Frank Reitemeyer: "What I wrote was that according to the serious 
Gestapo Müller archives in US National archives (811 micro films
of the German government papers, done on orders of Hitler in 1945 
before he disappeared, which he planned since 1941)of which Gregory 
Douglas has launched a book series give serious first hand 
information that the Rundflugzeuge (RFZ or UFOs) are not coming from 
outer space but rather from Germany." 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/3718

Brigitte: What Frank claims is in the … "US archives"
simple isn't to be found in any of the documents that are there.

It was Willis Carto Director of Liberty Lobby Willis Carto who 
appointed Gregory Douglas a known criminal and document forger.
Carto started selling Douglas' fraudulent books purporting to contain 
post-war information about former Gestapo chief Heinrich Müller in 
1995.

It is a simillar pattern that connects falsifications of memoirs of 
two of the most powerfull men in the 3e Reich. ,Müller the highest 
ranking man in intelligence in Nazi Germany ,with the exception of 
Admiral Walter Canaris, whose "files" where also published
in a similar falsified fashion as Muellers. See for example
(past this as long it is toolbar); 
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.mental-
ray.de/Mental-Ray/VrilGeist/z_plan_infos.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%
2522Wilhelm%2Bthe%2BCanaris.%2B%2522%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG 

(or:www.mental-ray.de/Mental-Ray/VrilGeist/z_plan_infos.htm )
  
Frank, if your reading of Theosophy is just as good as that regarding 
your claims of Nazi-UFO's that Epp claims is a helicopter design,
then I think nobody on this list is surprised that you never where 
able to provide any quotes that prooved your wild claims about 
Blavatsky that "That British FM were under SJ control"
That as you (Frank) write :" The US FM were degenerated even in
1873-5 when HPB tried to reform it." HPB reforming the "US" FM
" "that HPB was fighting in London and from the FM Europe map
Steiner published were the war aims of WW I were "foreseen". Wich 
is what you wrote.

And then you tell others that they don't know enough about Theosophy, 
when your whole theory promoted regarding the Nazi UFO myth is 
notting else but Nazi revivisionism , wich basicly says, the Nazi's 
won the war anyhow, that is the CIA is in fact the Gehlen network, 
the Atom bomb came deliverred to the US from the Nazi's, all leading  
US scientific developments came from the Nazi's, the US spaceprogram, 
and so on, are Nazi's, US secret weapon programs are run by Nazi's.
Plus mixed in the same litterature wich claims about the 
holocoast that the US Jews just faked all that to 
get money, claiming in fact Hitler and most leading Nazi's where 
themselve Jews so the truth is the only "bad" Jews are those 
banker/Masons in New York that also blew up the WTC twin towers and 
so on, they are running the US Governement, just like it is told 
(the proof is there, just read them) in the protocols of Zion , 
leading the world now towards WW III and the human race towards 
extincion.
 
If there weren't the good guys whaiting to arive in their "good"
UFO's versus (the black helicopters and) the "bad" UFO's, and however
does not want to believe that is either a Jesuit (or at least 
something bad) or is it without knowing that one is it , its that 
simple. by reading the wrong litterature like books about ("all" 
science is Jesuit controlled for example) "science", instead of the 
Secret Doctrine wich contains all the science one should ever know 
and so on, its that simple. 
 
Brigitte

The Editorial staff of FOHAT
(a quarterly publication of the Edmonton
Theosophical Society, Canada],who mention in editorial : 

"Truth (about the Holocaust) Needs no Laws to Protect it."
The editor goes on to say that; "David Irving, the distinguished 
British historian on
World War II. . . . This painstaking researcher. . .
decided to do research on the topic of German
concentration camps. . . . He discovered that physical
evidence at the camps and the archival evidence that
he examined ran CONTRARY to POPULAR conceptions
on the holocaust. Now David Irving could have ignored
his findings and left the whole matter alone; instead
he published what he found in book form. . . .
David Irving's research and evidence for his thesis
are readily accessible through his book. Any
historian of note need only look at Dr. Irving's
research and then demonstrate how he erred in his
conclusions and the whole matter would have been put
to rest. After all, if Dr. Irving was wrong, historians
should have all of the evidence of truth on their side.
The light of truth has a way of making the shadowy clear.
Instead of dispelling Dr. Irving's thesis, Dr. Irving
has been banned from speaking in many countries, he
has been arrested and tried in Germany. In fact, new
laws in Germany have been instituted making it illegal
to deny the holocaust. . . Through all of this, few
if any of Dr. Irving's professional colleagues have
come to his defence or tried to dispel what he says.
Instead of shedding light on the debate there has
been every effort to push the whole matter further
into the shadows. Dr. Irving is not the only
individual to suffer this fate. . . . This whole
matter begs the question as to why the leaders of
a nation [Germany] saddled with this terrible
and heinous crime would want to legislate
a version of history that MAY NOT have a
foundation, especially at the cost of billions
of dollars annually in reparation payments to
the state of Israel. Why are nations all
over the world intent on legislating
the official version of the holocaust?."
(Summer 1998, editting done by Daniel)