Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00223)

Well the sentence to me was not mine ofcourse, it was send to me 
yesterday in private by one of the lurkers on theos talk. I also only 
posted the first half of the message, but I think I will now place the 2e 
half of this message yesterday:

IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET SOME MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON 
THE CURRENT AND FORMER RACIAL COMPOSITION OF VARIOUS TS 
AND TS RELATED GROUPS.

I ONCE VISITED A BLACK VAISHNAVA COMMUNITY IN WASHINGTON DC, 
USA, AND WAS SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT THEY HAD ADOPTED THE 
ENTIRE ARYAN MASTER-RACE THOUGHT SYSTEM. AS CONVERTS TO 
WHAT THEY CONSIDERED A KIND OF 'HINDUISM', THEY
ADOPTED ARYANISM AND ACTUALLY INTERNALIZED THE IDEA THAT 
THEIR RACE WAS INFERIOR DUE TO BAD KARMA!

SO IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE FOR BLACKS TO ADOPT A THEOSOPHICAL-
LIKE VIEW.

MY MOST PROLONGED DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH THEOSOPHYWAS IN 
OJAI, AND THAT WAS DEFINITELY A TRADITIONALLY 'WHITE' CENTER 
OF THE FAITH.

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO STUDY THE RACIAL STATISTICS FOR 
THEOSOPHICAL GROUPS GLOBALLY. WHEN I WAS IN SRI LANKA, 
THERE WAS AN ABSOLUTE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SINHALESE 
BUDDHIST "ARYANS" AND THEOSOPHY. THE NATIVE THEOSOPHISTS 
WERE THESE 'ARYAN' THERAVADIN BUDDHISTS, AND THEY WERE
CONTEMPTUOUS OF THE BLACK TAMILS IN THE EXTREME. THIS 
ARYANIST RACE HATRED FOR THE BLACKS OF SOUTHERN INDIA, IS 
REALLY BEHIND THE ON-GOING CIVIL WAR THERE. SOME THINK IT IS 
A RELIGIOUS WAR BETWEEN THE T. BUDDHISTS AND DRAVIDIAN 
(TAMIL) SHAIVITES, BUT ACTUALLY IT IS ARYANISM THAT HAS 
FUELED AND IS FUELING THE WHOLE THING. HBP WAS INVOLVED 
DIRECTLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF RACIST ARYANISM IN SRI LANKA. 
SHE CONSIDERED THE SINHALESE TO BE ARYANS,
AND ADOPTED AND PROMOTED THEIR THERAVADIN BUDDHISM TO 
SOME EXTENT.

THE WAR IS STILL RAGING THERE. THE SINHALESE, AT THE 
INSTIGATION OF THEIR 'BUDDHIST' LEADERS, HAVE OCCUPIED AND 
DESTROYED NUMEROUS HINDUS TEMPLES AND
ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES. OLD ARYANIST INTERPRETED VERSIONS OF 
THE RAMAYANA ARE BEING USED BY THE DALIT ORGANIZERS TO 
INCITE TAMIL UPRISINGS AGAINST THE SINHALESE. SO IN THE CASE 
OF SOUTH INDIAN AND SRI LANKAN THEOSOPHY, THE RACIST 
HISTORICAL EXPRESSION OF THE THOUGHT SYSTEM HAS BEEN 
EXTREME.

THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF BLACK THEOSOPHISTS IN CHICAGO 
AND NEW YORK MERITS INVESTIGATION. IS THIS A RECENT 
PHENOMENON ? WERE THESE COMMUNITIES TRADITIONALLY MIXED 
RACE ? WERE THEY FOUNDED BY THE SAME LEADER (S )?
MANY QUESTIONS COME TO MIND.

WHEN I READ HPB'S WRITINGS AND THE MAHATMA LETTERS,THESE 
WERE JUST FULL OF INAUTHENTIC NONSENSE. AS AN EXPERT ON 
VAISHNAVISM, I AM INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE 'HINDU' 
TEXTUAL TRADITIONS THAT THEOSOPHY APPROPRIATED. AT EVERY 
TURN THE 'MASTERS' / MAHATMAS MISUNDERSTOOD, ABUSED AND 
CORRUPTED 'HINDU' TRADITION. THEY DISPLAYED AN APPALLING 
LACK OF BASIC KNOWLEDGE AND REALIZATION CONCERNING THE 
SOURCES OF THE TRADITIONS THAT THEY PRETENDED TO BE THE 
MASTERS OF. IF THEY REALLY WERE 'MASTERS', THEN WHY DID 
THEY NOT AT ALL UNDERSTAND THE MOST BASIC TRUTHS ABOUT THE 
TRADITIONS THAT THEY CLAIMED THEMSELVES TO BE THE 'MASTERS'
OF ? (Brian: end quoute of the 2e part of the letter that was send to me 
via a backchannel from a member of the theos talk group)

--- In theos-talk@y..., Drpsionic@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/26/02 12:44:24 PM Central Daylight Time, 
> brianmuehlbach@y... writes:
> 
> << 
> IF THESE GROUPS WERE NOT TEACHING RACISM OR PRACTICING 
IT, 
> WHERE WERE ALL THE NEGROES ?
> >>
> 
> In the minstral show?
> 
> Actually, I'm rather surprised at this because there has always been a 
> significant black representation in the Chicago area. But I suppose 
you can 
> never satisfy everyone.
> 
> Chuck