Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00134)

Well said wry1111.

Brian was on my group for a while and I addressed this issue but not 
directly. The message and the books and the outer trappings of 
mysterious masters of a cult one could call: "made in India" suitable 
for export to the West, is NOT what is important. What is important 
is that this movement made a whole in the glamorized view of human 
history and she (TS) did it in a way that it has never been done 
before. That is what makes people mad I suspect. She was NOT supposed 
to be successful--don't you see? It was not supposed to work. It was 
not supposed to happen. But it was destined to work. It was destined 
to change the world. And dear Brian you can't change that with all 
the capitalized essays in the world!!!

I mean how could some concocted stories about a Russian woman with 
the soul of gypsy and a soft spot for poor regular folks, and no 
money to speak of affect the whole Western world? It was just not 
supposed to happen if you think about it.

I think it's funny like wry said. I try to roll back the covers, the 
burkas. But many don't think its funny.

Netemara

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-- In theos-talk@y..., "wry" <wry1111@e...> wrote:
> Hi Brian. You seem to me like an interesting and intelligent person 
in many
> ways, but in the way you are approaching this topic, I believe you 
could use
> a little more discrimination. People will believe in all kinds of 
things.
> They will often do this seemingly arbitrarily, but behind this, of 
course,
> is a dynamic. Unless you come to understand the dynamic, you will
> perpetually be pouring from the empty into the void. Is this how 
you want to
> live your life? Is this sensible or meaningful? Think this over.
> 
> As people, we are suggestible. There is a tendency to eternalize 
situations
> and to want to believe this or that. There is a somewhat grave 
situation,
> both politically and environmentally, on the planet earth, would 
you not
> agree, but most people ARBITRARY believe they do not need to 
address this
> problem "till tomorrow." Is this not true? I do this myself. You 
probably
> do, too.
> 
> Rule #1: Do not try to take anything away from someone unless you 
are able
> to help them find something better to replace it with. You think 
you have
> something better, reality and common sense, and I would agree, it 
probably
> is better, but telling this is not enough. You need to SHOW it. You 
do not
> say, "trust me. There is a reality which is better. Give up your 
belief and
> then it will be there." This is what the wolf says to the chicken 
before he
> eats it. No one will listen, and they should not, as to them, IT 
MAKES NO
> SENSE, even though it does make sense to you.
> 
> I do not care if Madame Blavatsky tricked people. If she did, I 
think it is
> funny. Why do you care? HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO FIND OUT? The 
point I
> personally would be interested in making is that it is not 
necessary to
> look back. You would think this is a point everyone of us 
understands, but
> we don't. Even I am looking back on irrelevant details the moment 
before I
> bump into a telephone pole.
> 
> Yes, there are many more Mormons than Theosophists. This is the 
fastest
> growing religion on the planet earth. Joseph Smith did not need to 
provide
> evidence of a certain nature, not does any one who is interested in
> attracting a bunch of believers. You do not need to have evidence to
> believe. What is your point? I suspect you are angry. Would you be 
angry at
> a five year old for believing in the Easter bunny? I am not being 
sarcastic
> when I say that this principle is very hard to understand,when 
applied to
> adults, but it is not only valid but of prime importance. If you 
and I
> understand this (and I am still struggling to understand and apply 
this in
> my everyday life), we can turn our intelligence and energy to 
projects that
> have more of a likelihood of succeeding, and in this way, maybe we 
can help
> many people. Sincerely, Wry
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 5:20 AM
> Subject: Theos-World The "sources" of the letters, and 
the "staging" of
> Blavatsky's "Masters."
> 
> 
> > Wry: Joseph Smith, or whatever his name was, found the Book
> > of Mormon on tablets of pure gold which he dug up in the ground. 
To
> > me this is ridiculous.
> >
> > Brian: There are indeed many more believing Mormons then people
> > believe the "Mahatma Letters" have been created out of tin air, 
as Daniel
> > Caldwell and Dallas/Dalval keep suggesting.
> >
> > Like Smith and the Golden Tablets, Blavatsky did not provide
> > documentary or other real evidence for her sources. Including 
that there
> > are no reliable reports of someone for example having seen any 
of the
> > so called "Mahatmas" while writing any of these letters.
> >
> > Instead we do have reports like that Hume and Sinnett at first 
didn`t feel
> > that the letters met with the standards of a Master. In the place 
of
> > answers to their metaphysical questions they received constant
> > injunctions to be kind and understanding to HPB. "You can hardly 
be too
> > indulgent with her," Mahatma Koot Hoomi told them, and for a while
> > they obeyed him.
> >
> > The Mahatma Letters played with notions of their own 
fictitiousness in
> > sophisticated ways, calling attention to the Mahatmas` status as
> > inventive inventions: having been "`invented` ourselves," the 
Masters
> > noted, they "repay the inventors by inventing" increasingly
> > complicated "imaginary" doctrines as a way of avoiding 
accusations of
> > inconsistency or internal contradiction in their teachings. (KH 
to Sinnet,
> > Letter No. 24B)
> >
> > Distressed by Blavatskys intermediary role in the communications, 
Hume
> > and Sinnet decided to send a letter to the "Maha Chohan," another
> > Master, asking to correspond directly without the meddling hand of
> > Blavatsky. Giving the sealed letter to Blavatsky for forwarding 
as usual.
> > She retired to her room with it, supposedly intending to play the 
piano
> > while magically precipitating the envelope to its destination, 
but a very
> > different kind of music was heard from the room a few minutes 
later,
> > when she emerged screaming betrayal and treason, having opened the
> > letter and read it.
> >
> > See also: http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/mhoax.html
> >
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> Brian
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