Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00155)

--- In theos-talk@y..., "netemara888" <netemara888@y...> wrote:
> corrected version:

> Hello Nisk,
> 
> I am so happy you posted this introduction. First I would like to 
> invite you personally to my forum. I have just changed the name. I 
> inherited the forum and the name and just changed it to: 
> theosophy_talks_truth@y...
> 
> I am a theosophist by birth. I am not Aryan, not white, not Indian. 
> Although while in India I was mistaken for Indian. I can tell you 
HPB 
> was not anti-Catholic per se, she was anti-religion, because she 
> found it to be anti-truth. I have traced her many lives and she is 
> involved in things that people would think were totally racist and 
> the like. But we have to look at the BIG PICTURE.  
> 
> I have posted a picture of myself on my forum and people still 
think 
> I am mediterrean or Indian, but I am not. I write about race and 
get 
> called a nazi and everything else. It is a huge subject most people 
> do not want to discuss, especially whites. So, while I have not 
> gotten death threats I have gotten lots of hate mail. If you want 
to 
> discuss race or your viewpoints you can discuss it with me and read 
> what I have written at my forum. I think you would be most 
interested.
> 
> Besides I think you must need spiritual healing due to your 
> discussion about health issues. If you are living in India is this 
> because of pollution too? I have spent time in India and while I 
> loved it there, the smoke in the air is bad. On my last visit 
after  
> a month I coughed my head off for 6 months when I returned to 
> Chicago. We used to call it the "Dera cough"
> 
> BTW: since you are so knowledgeable do you know Radhasoami and the 
> Beas gurus? I followed Charan Singh until his death in 1991. I am 
no 
> longer in that group, but have fond and many memories after 22 
years 
> with them.
> 
> I will pray for you and send you some healing energy, if that is 
okay 
> with you. You know Olcott did some type of mesmeric healing. I heal 
> with heat and cold massage of the nadis and etheric body. If the 
> person's karma allows then it happens quite easily, if not then 
they 
> might suffer a little longer and be healed spontaneously later. Let 
> me know, because I think healing is only effective if the other is 
> willing to accept it and I don't want to intrude on your private 
> thoughts or philosophy.
> 
> Healing is also philosophical and logical in nature. If you are on 
a 
> crusade against Aryan behavior and feel that it has offended you, 
> perhaps it has. Perhaps you were the offender in a past life. I can 
> also help you trace some lives and you might find healing that way. 
> In this sense Knowledge is Power. But HPB writes that the Indians, 
> especially the Northern Indian, where I was, was the first and true 
> Aryan. They DO appear different from the southern Indian. But when 
I 
> was there I saw an Indian for every black person I knew in America. 
I 
> found their twin over there!!! They came in every shape, size and 
> color. So that is why I love India and Indians and have a true 
> simpatico for them.
> 
> Namaste
> 
> The best
> 
> Netemara
> 
> ****************
> --- In theos-talk@y..., Nisk98114@a... wrote:
> > Hello, BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI, WELCOME TO THEOS WORLD.
> > IT SEEMS IGNORANCE IS OUR (HUMANITIES) GREATEST ENEMY.
> > THE GREATEST GIFT CAN BE POISON.
> > MEDICAL PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FASCINATED BY POISONS IN THAT SO 
> MANY CURES 
> > HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THE DISCOVERIES OF THE ROOT OF EACH POISON 
> THEREBY 
> > EFFECTING A CURE.
> > FOR EXAMPLE, IT SEEMS THAT IODINE TAKEN INTERNALLY CAN DO GREAT 
> DAMAGE YET 
> > WHEN APPLIED TO AN EXTERIOR CUT OR BRUISE CAN AID IN A HEALTHY 
> RECOVERY AND 
> > BE A BLESSING. I HOPE WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR A HEALTHY RECOVERY 
AND 
> MANY 
> > BLESSINGS.
> > =========================================================
> > 
> > In a message dated 11/8/02 11:07:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> > bhakti.eohn@v... writes:
> > 
> > > Subj: Theos-World BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI USES ALL CAPS
> > > Date: 11/8/02 11:07:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
> > > From: bhakti.eohn@v... (Bhakti Ananda Goswami)
> > > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:theos-talk@y...";>
> > theos-talk@y...</A>
> > > To: theos-talk@y...
> > >  
> > >  
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Bhakti Ananda Goswami 
> > > Subject: MY POST TO THEOS-TALK EGROUP
> > >  
> > >  
> > > GREETINGS DEAR FELLOW RESPECTERS OF TRUTH AND VIRTUE, 
> > >  
> > > PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESPECTFUL OBEISANCES.
> > >  
> > > MY NAME IS BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI, AND I AM A SANNYASI AND 
> SHIKSHA 
> > > (INSTRUCTING) MASTER IN THE ANCIENT AND VENERABLE BRAHMA-
MADHVA-
> > > GAUDIYA LINEAGE OF VAISHNAVISM. I HAVE ALSO HAD EXTENSIVE 
> EXPERIANCE 
> > > WITH SHAIVA, SHAKTI, BUDDHIST AND OTHER TRADITIONS. I HAVE 
BEEN 
> > > INVOLVED IN COMPARATIVE RELIGION STUDIES AND INTERFAITH 
> MINISTRIES 
> > > FOR 35 YEARS, AND HAVE BEEN DOING POST-GRADUATE LEVEL QUALITY 
> > > INTERDISCIPLINARY RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF RELIGION FOR AT 
> LEAST 25 
> > > OF THOSE YEARS. I SUCCESSFULLY DELIVERED THE ORAL PRESENTATION 
> OF MY 
> > > TWO YEAR MASTER'S DEGREE THESIS, BUT NEVER PUBLISHED MY THESIS 
> OR 
> > > RECEIVED MY DEGREE, BECAUSE I HAD TO GO INTO A NURSING HOME ON 
A 
> > > RESPIRATOR, DUE TO POST-POLIO SYNDROME BREATHING MUSCLE 
> PARALYSIS, 
> > > BEFORE I COULD FINISH MY MASTER'S DEGREE PROJECT.  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > AT PRESENT I AM BED-RIDDEN MOST OF THE TIME. MY COMPUTER IS 
> > > INSTALLED OVER MY BED, AND I TYPE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE THESE 
ARE 
> WHAT 
> > > ARE EASIEST FOR ME TO SEE WHEN I AM UNABLE TO SIT UP. MANY 
> COMPUTER 
> > > USERS HAVE DIFFICULTY SEEING THEIR MONITORS. WHEN PERSONS 
SUCH 
> AS 
> > > MYSELF USE ALL CAPS, PLEASE DON'T ALSWAYS ASSUME THAT IT IS 
> BECAUSE 
> > > WE ARE RUDE AND SHOUTING. IT IS NOT A CHOICE, BUT A REQUIRED 
> > > AUSTERITY.  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > WITH MY PERMISSION, BRIAN HAS EXCERPTED AND POSTED SOME OF MY 
> PRIVATE 
> > > LETTERS TO THIS FORUM. BRIAN HAS NOT BEEN SHOUTING AT ANYONE.  
I 
> HAVE 
> > > NOT BEEN POSTING MYSELF, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN 
> COMBATING 
> > > RACIST ARYANISTS GLOBALLY, AND AS A RESULT HAVE RECEIVED 
> NUMEROUS 
> > > DEATH THREATS AND ACTUAL ATTACKS FROM THEM. SO I NO LONGER 
LIKE 
> TO 
> > > EXPOSE MYSELF TO ARYANIST FANATICISM OF ANY KIND, ANY MORE 
THAN 
> > > NECCESSARY. THUS, BRIAN WAS POSTING ANONYMOUSLY AS A COURTESY 
> FOR 
> > > ME. 
> > >  
> > > EVEN THOUGH I AM SURE NONE OF YOU ARE VIOLENT RACISTS, OF THE 
> KIND 
> > > THAT I HAVE BEEN COMBATING, IT SEEMS PROBABLE TO ME THAT YOU 
> DON'T 
> > > REALIZE HOW ARYOSOPHISM IS FOUNDATIONAL TO THE THOUGHT SYSTEMS 
> OF THE 
> > > RACIST GROUPS I HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH IN MY WORK. I HAVE 
> EXPERIANCED 
> > > THE WORST OF THE OUT-COMES OF ARYOSOPHISM, BECAUSE IN MY WORK 
I 
> HAVE 
> > > COMBATED THE WORST KIND OF RACIST FANATICS FOR OVER 30 YEARS. 
> BECAUSE 
> > > OF THIS, I GENERALLY TO NOT LIKE TO READ T SOCIETY ATTEMPTS TO 
> DENY 
> > > THE INFLUENCE OF TS RELATED ARYOSOPHISM ON GLOBAL HISTORY.   
> WHETHER 
> > > THEY ARE HINDU, JAPANESE, EUROPEAN, SRI LANKAN, AMERICAN OR 
> OTHER 
> > > ARYANIST RACISTS, THEY ARE TIED TOGETHER BY THE SAME GENERAL 
> BELIEF-
> > > SYSTEMS, WITH ELEMENTS OF TS RELATED ARYOSOPHISM IN THEM. 
> > >  
> > > MY OPINION IS THAT HPB HAD A BENEVOLENT BUT RACIST ATTITUDE 
> TOWARDS 
> > > BLACKS, AND WAS ANTI-SEMITIC AND ANTI-CATHOLIC. SHE DID NOT 
> > > ANTICIPATE OR INTEND THAT HER SCIENTISTIC ROOT-RACES IDEAS 
WOULD 
> END- 
> > > UP FORMING THE BEDROCK OF SOME VERY MALEVOLENT THOUGHT-
SYSTEMS. 
> NOT 
> > > WANTING TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENT WITH THEOSOPHISTS ABOUT THE 
FACT 
> OF 
> > > HER RACIST INFLUENCE, I HAVE NOT POSTED TO ANY THEOSOPHICAL 
> SITES.  
> > > MY PRIVATE CORRESPONDANCE WITH BRIAN (AND IT IS PROPER TO 
> ADDRESS A 
> > > PERSON AS THEY WISH), HAS NOT BEEN MEANT TO INSULT OR OFFEND 
ANY 
> > > INDIVIDUAL THEOSOPHISTS, BUT RATHER TO EXPRESS MY THINKING ON 
> THE 
> > > MAJOR ISSUES THEMSELVES. 
> > >  
> > > SINCE I HAVE BECOME INVOLVED IN THIS FORUM, AND DON'T WANT 
BRIAN 
> TO 
> > > BE ERRONEOUSLY ACCUSED OF SHOUTING IN CAPS AT YOU ALL, I AM 
> > > INTRODUCING MYSELF. I HAVE HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS AND FRIENDS 
> WRITING 
> > > TO ME THAT I OWE LETTERS TO, AND MANY OTHER PRESSING DUTIES TO 
> ATTEND 
> > > TO, SO I CANNOT, WITH MY PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS, GET INTO ANY 
> HEATED 
> > > EXCHANGES ON THIS FORUM. STILL,I WILL TRY TO WRITE SOMETHING 
> > > REGARDING MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE MAHATMA LETTERS FOR POSTING 
HERE 
> > > SOON.  
> > >  
> > > BEST WISHES,
> > >  
> > > HH TRIDANDI SANNYASI BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI MAHARAJA
> > >  
> > > BRAHMA-MADHVA-GAUDIYA SAMPRADAYA OF VAISHNAVISM
> > >  
> > > INTERFAITH COMMITTEE ORGANIZER, WORLD VAISHNAVA ORGANIZATION, 
> > > VRINDAVANA INDIA. 
> > >  
> > >  
> > > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Daniel H. Caldwell" <comments@b...> 
> wrote:
> > > > Dear Brian/Brigitte,
> > > > 
> > > > If you want many people to continue reading your messages, I 
> would 
> > > > suggest that you do NOT use all caps. Using all caps makes 
it 
> > > > difficult for most people to read the text.
> > > > 
> > > > What would Paul Johnson say if he knew what you were 
doing! :)
> > > > 
> > > > Daniel
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@y..., "brianmuehlbach" 
<brianmuehlbach@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > THE HARE BROTHERS BOOK IS A FIRST ATTEMPT AND EVEN THERE 
> > > > > THEOSOPHISTS DID NO REBUT ALL THE POINTS, JUST SOME)MORE 
> > > > > PORTANT FOR TODAY IS, AND THE QUESTION FOR CALDWELL TO 
> > > > > SHOW PROOF IF HE IS INDEED EXPERT IN THE FIELD. TO BESIDES 
> THE 
> > > > > HARES QUIRKIES ABOUT FRANCE LANGUAGE EXPRESSIONS AND 
> > > > > AMERICAN SLANG IN THE LETTERS THAT STEVE MENTIONS AS 
> > > > > BLAVATSKY'S "TUMBNAIL THAT IS ALL OVEER THE PLACE" THE 
FACT 
> > > > > REMAINS ALSO
> > > > > THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN THOSE LETTERS, WHICH COULD NOT 
> > > > > HAVE BEEN PENNED BY HPB AND HER EDUCATED COHORTS.  
NOTHING.  
> > > > > THE 'WISDOM' IN THEM IS NOT EVIDENCE OF A SUPERIOR 
KNOWLEDGE 
> > > > > AND VISION, POSSESSED AND SEEN BY ANCIENT BEINGS OR 
AGELESS 
> > > > > BEINGS OUTSIDE OF TIME. IT IS THE INFORMATION / KNOWLEDGE 
> > > > > BASE OF PERSONS WITH A DISTINCT TIME-LIMITED FRAME OF 
> > > > > REFERENCE. PROJECTING THEIR VICTORIAN ERA ESOTERIC WORLD-
> > > > > VIEW BACK ONTO THE HISTORY OF THOUGHT, THE AUTHORS APPEAR 
> > > > > TO BE WOEFULLY DEFICIENT IN UNDERSTANDING THEIR 'OWN' SO-
> > > > > CALLED INDIAN OR TIBETAN, WTEVER, SACRED TRADITIONS. THE 
> > > > > SPECULATIONS OF THE SO-CALLED MASTERS, ABOUT ANCIENT 
> > > > > EGYPTIAN AND INDIAN THOUGHT, WERE QUITE LIMITED TO THE 
> > > > > INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO HPB AND FRIENDS. THEIR OWN 
> > > > > ESOTERIC STUDIES IN ROSICRUCIANISM, MASONRY AND SPIRITISM 
> > > > > ETC. AND WIDE READING IN RELIGION, HISTORY, PHILOSOPHY AND 
> THE 
> > > > > SCIENCE OF THEIR DAY, WAS ENOUGH TO FORM THE KNOWLEDGE-
> > > > > BASE EVIDENT IN ALL OF THE MAHATMA LETTERS AND HPB'S 
> BOOKS.   
> > > > > BEYOND THIS INFORMATION, THERE IS NOTHING, NOTHING THERE. 
> > > > >  
> > > > > THEY WERE IN A SENSE MASTERS OF WHATEVER IT WAS THAT HBP 
> > > > > AND FRIENDS HAD MASTERED.....THE WESTERN ESOTERIC 'WISDOM' 
> > > > > OF THEIR TIME. HOWEVER THEY WERE RANK NEOPHYTES WHEN IT 
> > > > > CAME TO MANY THINGS THAT THE MAHATMAS' CLAIMED MASTERY 
> > > > > OF. THUS THE 'MASTERS' SHOULD BE TESTED ON THESE 
THINGS.  
> > > > > THEY MADE THE CLAIM OF MASTERY, LET THEM EXPLAIN 
THEMSELVES 
> > > > > DANIEL CALWELL BY PROVIDING TEXTUAL EXAMPLES TO SHOW THIS.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > THEY WERE IN A SENSE MASTERS OF WHATEVER IT WAS THAT HBP 
> > > > > AND FRIENDS HAD MASTERED.....THE WESTERN ESOTERIC 'WISDOM' 
> > > > > OF THEIR TIME. HOWEVER THEY WERE RANK NEOPHYTES WHEN IT 
> > > > > CAME TO MANY THINGS THAT THE MAHATMAS' CLAIMED MASTERY 
> > > > > OF. THUS THE 'MASTERS' SHOULD BE TESTED ON THESE 
THINGS.  
> > > > > THEY MADE THE CLAIM OF MASTERY.
> > > > > 
> > > > > AFTER I MADE THE HARE BROTHER REMARK STEVE MENTIONED 
THAT 
> > > > > BLAVATSKY'S "TUMBNAIL" STEVE WROTE IS ALL OVE R THE 
PLACE.  
> > > > > THE NEXT STEP HOWEVER NOW REALLY SHOULD BE AS STEVE NEXT 
> > > > > ALSO WROTE :""There is still one challlenge - more 
> > > > > difficult than collecting preicpitaion stories - which has 
> not 
> > > been 
> > > > dealt 
> > > > > with: how to argue from an unbiased perspective that the 
> mahatma 
> > > > > letters did contain the actual thoughts of the mahatmas 
and 
> not 
> > > > those of 
> > > > > the amanuensis chelas who produced them?"
> > > > > 
> > > > > DOUBTFULL DANIEL C. CALDWELL IS CAPABLE EVER REPONDING TO 
> > > > > THIS CHALLENGE. (I AM PLACING THE ABOVE ON MY WEB SITE)
> > > > >  
> > > > http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehle=
> > > > > b9
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Daniel H. Caldwell" 
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> > > > wrote:…
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