Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00456)

Daniel C. Caldwell didn't answer about Aryans and Elder Brothers in the 
Mahatma Letters ??

A next topic could be reg. "The highest race (physical intellectuality) is =

the last sub-race of the fifth -- yourselves the white conquerors. The 
majority of mankind belongs to the seventh sub-race of the fourth Root 
race, -- the above mentioned Chinamen and their off-shoots and 
branchlets (Malayans, Mongolians, Tibetans, Javanese, etc., etc., etc.) 
and remnants of other sub-races of the fourth -- and the seventh sub-
race of the third race. All these, fallen, degraded semblances of 
humanity," reminds me so much of the way that H.P. Lovecraft wrote 
about miscegenation and inferior races of beings.

Also David Icke, a former spokesman for the Green Party in Great 
Britain, identifies a global elite of that includes George W. Bush and 
Prince Charles are the spawn of mammalian/reptilian interbreeding. 
who participate in human sacrifice and drink blood! Icke is into all of th=
e 
stuff we've been discussing, including Theosophy. Not only is Icke into =
 
Theosophy, he's written several books that treat the notorious anti-
Semitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a legitimate document.

The modern myth of Atlantis is due largely to the work of two 
individuals: Ignatius Donnelly, the author of Atlantis: The Antediluvian 
World (1882), and The Mahatma Letters, Blavatsky. Donnelly's work had 
a direct influence on both Helena Blavatsky, Rudolf Steiner, who found it 
appealing because both Theosophy and Anthroposophy sought a 
reconciliation of science with religion, and Edgar Cayce who made 
Cuba "rise." 

Donnelly was presenting what, for 1882, were reported as the latest 
scientific findings, thus giving special weight to his interpretations. 
However, he was not a scientist or a scholar of ancient civilizations and 
his interpretations of the data were out-of-date even in his own time. As 
L. Sprague de Camp wrote in his excellent book Lost Continents: The 
Atlantis Theme in History, Science, and Literature (1954), Donnelly "was 
a man 'with an extremely active mind, but posessing also that haste to 
form judgements and that lack of critical sense in testing them, which 
are often the result of self-education conducted by immense and 
unsystematic reading'". Donnelly gave inordinate credence to the 
archaeology of Augustus Le Plongeon, whose research at Chichén Itz&a=
acute; 
and Uxmal in the 1870s and 1880s was directed at proving that the 
ancient Maya were the oldest civilization on the planet (and the source 
of all knowledge, including that of ancient Egypt). He may also have 
been influenced by the illustrations of Jean-Frederic Waldeck, whose 
engravings of the Maya ruins of Palenque and other sites, while truly 
wonderful as visual images, falsely represented Maya structures and 
monuments as having Greco-Roman and Egyptian characteristics. 
Waldeck's images, which I like to consider as the first real pictures 
of "Atlantis" due to their fantastic nature, were used to illustrate 
Brasseur de Bourbourg's Monuments Anciens du Méxique(1866)--a 
source by an author who up until then had produced valuable 
scholarship on ancient Mesoamerica (including the discovery of the 
Ximénez translation of the Quiché Popol Vuh). Unfortunately, =
Waldeck's 
images fostered an entirely warped view of the Maya among a 
readership who should have given more credence to the work of John 
Lloyd Stephens and Frederick Catherwood in the 1830s and 1840s.

FDR and Wallace were both pleased with Masonic imagery of the 
unfinished pyramid, the Eye of Providence, and especially the way the 
Latin motto (from Virgil) of "Novus Ordo Seclorum" could be linked to 
the New Deal (that's what "Novus Ordo" means!) They also liked its 
Utopian symbolism (St. Thomas More, the author of Utopia was 
canonized in 1935). Roerich had gotten to know Wallace through their 
common interests in Central Asia, Theosophy, and Buddhism, and 
through Roerich's work on an international agreement signed by the 
U.S. and 21 other nations for the protection of cultural sites and 
museums in times of warfare (which in turn provided the inspiration for 
UNESCO). Wallace was thoroughly entranced by Roerich, helping with 
his nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize. The Department of Agriculture 
later funded an abortive expedition by Roerich to Mongolia, ostensibly 
for the purpose of collecting drought-resistant grasses. It ended in a 
messy diplomatic snafu. Roerich headed off to India in order to avoid 
IRS claims of tax evasion and Wallace broke off all communication with 
him. However, Wallace's 1948 bid as Progressive Party candidate for the 
presidency (against Truman and Dewey) was later damaged when some 
of his personal correspondence with Roerich--known as the "guru 
letters"--was made public. There are some who believe that Truman 
would have lost his knife-edge victory over Dewey (remember the 
famous photograph?) had Wallace's reputation not been smeared. By 
the way, Roerich's archaeological explorations included a 5-year 
expedition to Tibet in the 1920s in search of the lost city of Shambala. 
I'm convinced that it provided some of the inspiration for James Hilton's 
bestselling 1933 novel Lost Horizon, made into a hit movie of the same 
name by Frank Capra. The book and movie tell of the story of the 
discovery of the dreamlike utopia of Shangri-La. Interestingly, 
construction on FDR's secret mountain retreat in Maryland--where much 
of the strategic planning for U.S. involvement in World War II took place-
-began in 1935. Roosevelt named the retreat Shangri-La. It was later 
renamed by President Eisenhower for his grandson. The current name? 
Camp David.


The modern myth of Atlantis is due largely to the work of two 
individuals: Ignatius Donnelly, the author of Atlantis: The Antediluvian 
World (1882), and Edgar Cayce, the famous psychic. Donnelly's work 
had a direct influence on both Helena Blavatsky and Rudolf Steiner, who 
found it appealing because both Theosophy and Anthroposophy sought a 
reconciliation of science with religion. Donnelly was presenting what, for =

1882, were reported as the latest scientific findings, thus giving special =

weight to his interpretations. However, he was not a scientist or a 
scholar of ancient civilizations and his interpretations of the data were 
out-of-date even in his own time. As L. Sprague de Camp wrote in his 
excellent book Lost Continents: The Atlantis Theme in History, Science, 
and Literature (1954), Donnelly "was a man 'with an extremely active 
mind, but posessing also that haste to form judgements and that lack of 
critical sense in testing them, which are often the result of self-
education conducted by immense and unsystematic reading'". Donnelly 
gave inordinate credence to the archaeology of Augustus Le Plongeon, 
whose research at Chichén Itzá and Uxmal in the 1870s and 188=
0s was 
directed at proving that the ancient Maya were the oldest civilization on 
the planet (and the source of all knowledge, including that of ancient 
Egypt). He may also have been influenced by the illustrations of Jean-
Frederic Waldeck, whose engravings of the Maya ruins of Palenque and 
other sites, while truly wonderful as visual images, falsely represented 
Maya structures and monuments as having Greco-Roman and Egyptian 
characteristics. Waldeck's images, which I like to consider as the first 
real pictures of "Atlantis" due to their fantastic nature, were used to 
illustrate Brasseur de Bourbourg's Monuments Anciens du Méxique
(1866)--a source by an author who up until then had produced valuable 
scholarship on ancient Mesoamerica (including the discovery of the 
Ximénez translation of the Quiché Popol Vuh). Unfortunately, =
Waldeck's 
images fostered an entirely warped view of the Maya among a 
readership who should have given more credence to the work of John 
Lloyd Stephens and Frederick Catherwood in the 1830s and 1840s.

Blavatsky, also, took Donnelly's extreme conclusions to even greater 
extremes. As for Edgar Cayce's readings on Atlantis, I think they can all 
be as easily dismissed as Miss Cleo, the Psychic Friends Network, and 
John Edward--with whom the great Harry Houdini would have had a field 
day.

I strongly urge you to read Rodney Castleden's book Atlantis Destroyed 
(1998) one of the few good archeological books on the subject. 

The myth of the "lost civilization" of the Ice Age has become to the New 
Age Left what the story of a six-day Biblical Creation has become to the 
Religious Right. I believe that both are equally incompatible with the 
available evidence, and adherents of the mythical Atlantis story wind up 
looking as silly as Creationists. 

In Blavatsky's Book of Dzyan (The Secret Doctrine) Atlantis takes on the 
most pivotal role, because it is from Atlantis (instead of Africa) that 
the "5e race" Aryans would have come.
 
According to Blavatsky's SD, Atlantis sunk except for a remnant which 
escaped to the highest ground, Tibet. From there colonizers set out 
when the waters receded and conquered the rest of the world, including 
Europe. All the religions of Europe, etc., are therefore evolutions of a 
single cult, known as the "primitive wisdom religion." 
And " the comparatively fair Brahmins have come from the North - when 
invading India with its dark-colored Dravidians -, so the Aryan Fifth Race =

must claim its origin from northern regions" (The Secret Doctrine Vol. 2, 
Page 768) 

"The Mahatma Letters" claim: "The highest race (physical 
intellectuality) is the last sub-race of the fifth -- yourselves the white =

conquerors. The majority of mankind belongs to the seventh sub-race of 
the fourth Root race, -- the above 
mentioned Chinamen and their off-shoots and branchlets (Malayans, 
Mongolians, Tibetans, Javanese, etc., etc., etc.) and remnants of other 
sub-races of the fourth -- and the seventh sub-race of the third race. All =

these, fallen, degraded semblances of humanity." 
(http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/mahatmal.html ) 

So doesn't it seem wrote these letters clearly identified 
himself/herself/"The White Brotherhood", with white "Aryan" not even 
Indian. (Mahatma Letters to Sinnet in INDIA): "yourselves the white 
conquerors" ?

One of the sources of these ideas of lost continents of course should  
also be seen in the myth of the Golden Age as part of the 
Renaisance "Great Chain" philosophy that in turn borrowed this 
particular idea from the Greco-Roman tradition. It stated that people live =

in the iron age of hard work and hunger, while the "golden race" of the 
past neither suffered nor aged, and lived in an abundant natural world in 
which labor was unknown and peace and justice reigned. 
The Jewish and Christian traditions in the Renaissance offered believers 
visions of a world wiped clean of evil. In addition to a Paradise situated =

in the past, at the beginning of time, these traditions present glimpses of=
 
a radiant future. The theorie of "cycles" that derive from this as exposed =

in the "The Mahatma Letters" is not an oriental idea as much as it is 
inspired by Renaisance neo-Platonism the believe in an "Apocalypses" 
and so on.

In the seventeenth century, a new form of Plato's utopian narrative 
appeared in which travel through time resulted in the discovery of an 
ideal society that did not exist in the present, and at one point the 
Americas were believed to be the earthly location of this.

During Blavatsky's time the age of Darwinism, and believe now that  
the "Great Chain" "perenial philosophy" instead now should be "eons" 
old, there was suddenly the need for a hidden continent (or seven) 
where this supposedly all came from instead of the already well charted 
out of Africa theory. 

Himmler and other leading Nazis not surprisingly also believed in the 
Theosophial Atlantis theory and that Tibet was the last refuge of "the 
Aryan root race" with a priestly caste that ruled an underground realm. 
Even in the records of the War crimes tribunal the word "Shambala" 
was several times mentioned. 

By the time Hitler wrote "Mein Kampf" the myth of the Aryan race was 
fully developed. 
And a solution for the mingling of "Aryan and Jewish" blood was for the 
tainted Germans to find the wellsprings of Aryan blood. In search 
for "contact with the Aryans," Tibet-long isolated, seemed indeed a likely =

candidate. 

At Himmler's orders therefore , the Ahnenerbe was founded in 1935, 
with all the outward trappings of a scholarly institute, to buttress Hitler=
's 
racial ideologies. The Ahnenerbe ended up sponsoring three expeditions 
to Tibet. 

The SS-Ahnenerbe was involved in the mapping of different racial 
groups. Its members believed that they could classify races into two 
types: those with Aryan heritage. The latter were to be eliminated. 
These ideas were the impetus behind both the Holocaust and the 
Schaefer mission to Lhasa in 1938-39. 

The leaders of most well known of these missions where Dr. Ernst 
Schaefer, and Dr. Bruno Beger. Even before Schaeferīs mission was 
announced, Beger had proposed an expedition to map the 
characteristics of the peoples of eastern Tibet to ascertain whether they 
were originally Aryans. 

To his postwar American interrogators, Schaefer volunteered that 
Himmler "had very strange views." He thought that "the Nordic race had 
come directly from heaven." And of his colleagues in the Ahnenerbe, 
Schaefer mentioned: "They all believed in the glacial theory of 
cosmogony. Naturally, this was all completely unscientific. But the 
gentlemen had not read any other books, it was such a mad business". 
(Schaffer's interrogation report , RG 338 OI-FIR No.32, dated Febr. 12, 
1946. See also Thierry Dodin and Heinz Raether "Tibetforschung im SS-
Ahnenerbe," 1997.) 

Some Nazi militarists imagined Tibet as a potential base for attacking 
British India, and hoped that this mission would lead to some form of 
alliance with the Tibetans. In that they were partly successful. 

The mission was received by the Teting Regent (who had led Tibet since 
the death of the Thirteenth Dalai Lama in 1933), and it did succeed in 
persuading the Regent to correspond with Adolf Hitler. 
It is interesting that current mainland Chinese scientists are now 
following a similar line of thought. 
But mixing archeology/paleontology with Nationalism is notting new. For 
example 
Chinese PRC sources today argue that genetic similarities between Han 
and Tibetans and differences between Tibetans and Nepalis and Indians 
underscore the "blood relationship" among China's ethnic groups. 

The Dalai Lama counters that by stating that "archeological findings have 
revealed that the Tibetans and Chinese have been two distinct people 
since the dawn of human civilization." (Dalai Lama, "The Importance of 
Indian Initiative on Tibet." Tibetan Bulletin, July-August: 1, 1993.) 


1) http://www.discover.com/aug_02/featafrica.html

2) http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/humorigins.html

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