Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00189)

In a message dated 12/02/02 8:47:54 AM, netemara888@yahoo.com writes:

>I see I was right before I read this crap. I speak for HPB, and I 
>don't need your ************ permission to do so.

Here you go again. Right about what?  What's eating you?  Do you have a 
particular point or counterpoint to make about what I said?  If so, why not 
quote me and reply?  Where did you get that I was prohibiting you from 
speaking for or against HPB?  All I can do is point out the truth as I see 
it. Is it a habit with you to respond to anything that contradicts your 
pronouncements, as "crap"?  So, maybe you are right and I am wrong to impugn 
your motives and make assumptions about your wisdom and knowledge of 
theosophy.  If so, I apologize, and think its about time we ended this 
conversation -- since, these letters are getting out of sequence (as I'm 
weeks behind in my mail and forced to answer letters at random that are 
addressed to me privately as well as in three different lists) and piling up 
one misinterpretation on another. If you want to discuss theosophy without 
all the opinions, prejudices and side issues, I'm willing to listen and talk. 
 But otherwise, let's just call it quits and stop cluttering up everyone's 
mailboxes with projections and personal pot shots. The last word in any 
argument or discussion is, you're full of "crap."

LHM 


>Netemara
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>--- In theos-talk@y..., leonmaurer@a... wrote:
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>> In a message dated 11/30/02 11:46:57 PM, netemara888@y... writes:
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>> >--- In theos-talk@y..., leonmaurer@a... wrote:
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>> >> 
>> >> In a message dated 11/27/02 8:27:30 AM, dhyana@w... writes:
>> >> 
>> >> >If it is right that Socialism and Communism ("We are all equal") 
>> >> >in its several variations was invented by the background power 
>> >> >in the Vatican to destroy the Protestant movement in Germany, 
>> >> >then it is no wonder why the ruling red caps and the pupils of 
>> >> >the Frankfurt school in Austria (and also in Germany) are so 
>> >> >furious about HPB, as Theosophy was brought to he West to stop 
>> >> >Socialism under all its masks.
>> >> >Frank
>> >> 
>> >> Judging by your speculative (iffy) statement that what you imply 
>> >> about the "invention" of Socialism and Communism, etc., you believe 
>> >> to be true... Doesn't that also imply -- since the US constitution is 
>> >> based on the Declaration of Independence which says, "...all men 
>> >> are created equal"Â -- that you also believe the US is a 'masked'
>> >> Socialist country, and that theosophy was introduced in America 
>> >> by HPB to "stop" or overthrow it?  Could we assume, then, by such 
>> >> subtly sly implications -- that you might be trying to propagandize us 
>> >> American theosophists into believing that HPB wanted us to become 
>> >> an anti government political movement?  If so, I think she would come 
>> >> flying out of her urn in one of her typical cold rages at the 
"dumbheads" 
>> >> among us who haven't the faintest idea what "Universal Brotherhood" 
>> >> means. >(Not to imply anything personal, of course. ;-) 
>> >> LHM
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>> >************
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>> >LHM: I see you finally got something right. No one knows 
>> >what "universal brotherhood" means. The closest in theory IMO and 
>> >research is the Islamic faith, for all the castigation and malignment 
>> >it has taken. Thus while Theosophy may be called Buddhism on the 
>> >surface it is Islamic under the skin. 
>> 
>> Implying, of course -- with your usual half cocked, pseudo profound 
>> and prejudicial innuendo technique -- that everything else I have said 
>> on this forum is wrong.  Well, why don't we leave it to the other readers 
>> here to decide for themselves who talks without a forked tongue.  
>> But then, I wonder 
>> if you really understand anything you read that I have written?  I 
>> didn't say  "no one knows." I only referred to the "dumbheads" among us 
>> that haven't yet picked up Blavatsky's meaning for the term, nor have they 
>> understood its connection with the practice of altruism -- which is 
>  identical to the 
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>> teachings of Gautama the Buddha, Jesus the Christ, and even 
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>Mohammed the 
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>> Prophet. Although, there's no need to identify those fundamental 
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>truths they 
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>> taught with the various distorted exoteric religions, that also 
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>have no 
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>> conception -- except for their few TRUE "fundamentalists" who don't 
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>rely obn 
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>> their dead letters -- what "Universal Brotherhood," as HPB spoke of 
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>it, 
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>> really means. 
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>> >She need not rematerialize from her urn of cold ash. BTW she was 
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>more 
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>> >of a political creature than I think you give her credit. In her 
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>> >former incarnation as ISIS she wanted to rule the 'known world,' 
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>> >including all of Palestine and Israel. Her complexity is 
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>unsurpassed 
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>> >by anyone in history. What say you of the "Master of the 7?"
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>> 
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>> Thank you for the complement (pun intended :-). And to you, the 
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>Master of -- 
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>> whatever -- I say; HPB speaks for herself... And, her not being a 
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>> "politician" is perfectly obvious in her writings (in the sense of 
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>the 
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>> meaning of the word "political" as used in my answer to Frank... 
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>See 
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>> definition #1 below*). So, your use of the sly innuendo (referring 
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>to her as 
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>> ISIS) and implication that HPB was attempting to "rule the world" 
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>from a 
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>> "political" standpoint, is nothing more than a propaganda ploy 
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>(used by those 
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>> prejudiced ones you always seem to be defending) to justify your 
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>own 
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>> apparently biased position with respect to the fundamental ethical 
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>teachings 
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>> of HPB, as well as the aims and purposes of the theosophical 
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>movement. 
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>> 
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>> LHM
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>> 
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>> * po-lit-i-cal adj. Abbr. pol. polit. 1. Of, relating to, or 
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>dealing with the 
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>> structure or affairs of government, politics, or the state. 2. 
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>Relating to, 
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>> involving, or characteristic of politics, parties, or politicians: 
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>â œCalling a 
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>> meeting is a political act in itselfâ    Daniel Goleman 3. Having 
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>or marked by 
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>> a definite or organized policy or structure with regard to 
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>government: the 
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>> union's political machine; political pressure. 4. Relating to or 
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>involving 
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>> acts regarded as damaging to a government or state: political 
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>crimes. 
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>> (American Heritage Dictionery)
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>> >Netemara
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