Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00031)

Wry I am not going to sully my mind by reading all of your personal 
attack. But just as I spent years reading about events in history 
where I was not posted in time, I have spent years meditating. I say 
you have a lot of nerve telling someone what to read or NOT read. You 
are a one-person fascist country. Next, you'll be telling me you are 
coming to burn my library!! I think that is probably THE most 
insulting thing I have ever heard. This is so typically narrow 
minded, there are no words for it. FYI: I have read many many books 
about the millions, I think 10 million, black Africans who were 
brought to this country. They too suffered to the nth degree. I have 
read many accounts and they were just as horrible as the ones which 
talk about Jews. And don't need your darn permission to read them. 

What NERVE!!!!! What gaul! But I find time after time, that Jews are 
only concerned about Jews. But I am concerned and read about 
everyone. Africans choose to go through what they went through -- 
just as Jews choose to go through their historical foray. Jews should 
thank me for being concerned about their history, not telling me what 
NOT to read.........THE NERVE. 

This was part of the price which blacks have paid to be in this 
country. There are karmic laws which you know nothing about. You may 
or may not be Jewish but every Jew who has ever read anything I have 
written all sound just alike. It never ceases to amaze me. They all 
say: "me, me, me, me, what about me and mine, how dare you talk about 
me and mine without total remorse and horror, me, me me and more me, 
you are a racist, Jew hater, it's all about me, me me we were the 
only ones in history who were ever annihilated, we are the only one's 
whose history is important, only Jews count, only whites count, shut 
up you don't know what you are talking about, you don't know, you 
don't know, how dare you, how dare you....how dare YOU forget that 
millions of blacks were killed and holocausted too............."

Netemara

Wry I find your sentiments fit right in. And they turn my stomach.
Sorry, but this is not a personal attack. Sorry. I am just sharing my 
feelings.

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--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "wry" <wry1111@e...> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <netemara888@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:07 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: figures in history compared
> 
> 
> Hi. Re your message below, you have said, "We grow through sharing" 
so I
> will share this with you. I have found your recent messages to be
> repulsive, but maybe it is just some kind of a reactive process 
going on
> within me. In this particular message, though, you have somehow 
managed to
> convey your "state." I believe there is something seemingly 
outside which
> is looking at history and calls itself a soul, but what it really 
is is a
> configuration of THOUGHT, which is a function, as is FEELING, 
SENSATION,
> MOVEMENT etc. of the whole organism. and, because this complex of 
thought is
> so predominent and with so little purpose, these functions are not 
BALANCED.
> This makes for disorder, and is not the same as having the little 
SEED grow
> up or be RAISED into a mature soul so that there is no lag in the 
speed of
> the various functioning in relationship to each other and the 
oscillation
> frequencies or tempos are harmonized in such a way that there is a 
different
> kind of orientation. The fact that there is a lag is sad. Because 
something
> (thought) is mechanically going too fast in one place, something 
else
> (emotion?) is going too slow in another place. You will have to 
find out for
> yourself.
> 
> The Jews you are talking about who marched to their deaths are, at 
this
> point in time, a picture in your mind. You do not need to think 
about them
> or Hilter any longer, as this will not help you. You might as well 
be
> reading magazines and picking your toes, in my opinion, and 
actually, due to
> the necrophiliac quality of your musing, which seems to be 
habitual, (you
> like to think about Hitler and the Jews getting murdered, right?), 
it might
> be better and healthier to read magazines and pick your toes.
> 
> I know this probably sounds harsh, but it is not meant to be a 
personal
> attack. I have read all this Hitler crap from you and Frank and 
cannot
> conceive of any practical value of focusing in this direction, 
except that
> there is for each of you a necrophiliac kind of satisfaction. 
Hitler was, of
> course, a result of causes and conditions that surrounded him, as 
are you,
> so it is pointless to be angry with you, but because someone who 
has both
> pondered and practiced as well as stood genuine watch (on rare 
occasion) has
> the verbal skill and the guts to point out what should be obvious, 
we can
> pivot right NOW in such a way that very many people might be 
affected. It is
> all a matter of ORIENTATION. Let's turn in the right direction so 
that there
> can be begin to be an active force, right here on the internet 
which can
> affect many.
> 
> As far as being being CONSCIOUS, this is different than being in 
a "state of
> consciousness." It is an extremely important distinction to make. 
You can
> talk about Hitller and the Jews and their karma till hell freezes 
over and
> it will not in any way help you or any human being decrystalize 
destructive
> karmic patterns, because such talk is not Work, is it?
> 
> I notice that the number of subscribers to this list is going up 
rapidly and
> also that the volume of messages has been going down. In my 
opinion, this
> is extremely favorable. When there are five messages or so a day, 
give or
> take, participants who occasionally read on the list page or who 
take their
> messages by digests which they barely skim through can now begin to 
receive
> their messages by individual email, and the quality of this group 
will
> become more personal and less disorderly. In this way a certain 
atmosphere
> can be created that can function as a reserve where people can 
gather a
> little bit of group strength to help them make an individual effort 
that is
> a little difficult in that it takes a certain kind of courage and 
backbone
> which we all are probably lacking in to a certain degree. As we 
feedback our
> efforts and come with real inner questions to share, a natural 
ordering will
> emerge that can lead to a renewal and a flowering which will surely 
affect
> your theosophy movement. I will do my best to help this happen, but 
I am
> only one little part. If some people on here do not consider this 
to pertain
> to theosophy, maybe you are wrong. Bring your friends to this list 
now, if
> you know anyone who might benefit, as a major shift, due to the 
efforts of
> many, seems to be happening right now, and such a window is sort of 
sacred
> in that it opens us to our own great motherlode of undiscovered 
potential
> with its streaming benefits.
> 
> I have thought about these Hitler messages a lot before responding, 
as I
> want to contribute something that does not lead to further 
disorder. You
> WILL forget that you have lived before, if you even have, as there 
is no
> beauty or purity of "soul" in a thought. Real beauty is outside and 
beyond
> thought and memory, and is the not petty thing you try to make of 
it. So,
> also, is sorrow. You trivialize and what can only be grieved, and 
there is
> no way to know for how long. Wry
> 
> I> Thanks for your input Steve. But few people ever agree with me. 
Why?
> > Because they simply do not have my state of consciousness. So I do
> > not fault you for not seeing the point. However, I feel that you 
made
> > my point for me. The soul does CHOOSE to die in whatever way it in
> > fact does die. These things are set up and predestined. That my 
dear
> > is the meaning of destiny. It has been set and seen. So while I 
know
> > myself not to have been a Spanish persecuted Jew or one who died 
in
> > the Holocaust and none of my family I do know of my other lives 
which
> > touched the Jewish people. This was the karma of those who went
> > through it. Part of this type of dreadful karma is that it makes 
such
> > a DEEP groove in the heart and mind that one will never forget 
that
> > they have LIVED before. Don't you see the beauty of it 
spiritually?
> >
> > So I must disagree with you. We choose. We have limited free 
will.
> > There is NO other way that 5 million Jews would have marched, some
> > knowingly, to their deaths!!! They went as sheep to slaughter (not
> > all I know). So there is NO doubt in my mind. I do know Hitler's
> > fate, as I have studied his past lives and this puts the 
spotlight on
> > his present and future. It is NOT what it seems.
> >
> > Again thanks for your sharing. We grow through sharing.
> >
> > Netemara
> >
> >
> >
> >
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