Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00225)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Etzion Becker <etvionbb@n...> 
wrote:
> 
This clears up where your interest and understanding is coming from. 

I am sorry to hear about your trials, but we all have to eventually 
loosen our ties to family and to attachments here, some just happen 
in a more dramatic way than others.

But you must not confuse the fact that many Jews are searching for 
spirituality with who they are turning to that spirituality. Many 
Jews have found the teachings of Ramana to their liking. He is not a 
Nazi and I have nothing against him, but as an example they do not 
turn to Jesus or to the Christ but to others they think are Christ-
like. Who knows where that might lead in 50 years or so, we don't 
know.

So back in the 20s they may have turned to Steiner because they were 
looking for something they missed 2,000 years ago. Little did they 
know that this was a link to their deaths. This is actually how 
karmic ties work. It is totally believable to me that Jews are 
attracted to Steiner's work. In other lives Hitler had Jews as 
friends and as advisors. But he had a huge grudge against Jews that 
might have been from a long time ago that had nothing to do with 
Theosophy or anything else spiritual, just plain old bad feelings. 
This combined with the Jewish history of blood sacrifices and 
sacrifice of Jesus and NOT accepting the Christ only helped Hitler 
and the Nazis to accomplish their works. 

Etzion, I am not saying any of this is gospel but history is nothing 
but a series of coincidences strung together to make an impact.

my site is theosophy_talks_truth@yahoo.com

Netemara



> I guess you can understand that I like to make fun. I would like to 
see
> where I am wrong, since I spent a few years studying Steiner's 
work, I used
> to know many of the Israeli Steiner people, who spoke German, who 
read most
> of his works, and if they would doubt him, I would know it. Steiner 
simply
> saved my life at that time, I agree that something was missing 
there, like
> Divine Love, but this a human being cannot give. This I experienced 
later
> on, from my Master, to whom I got also acquinted through the 
Steiner group.
> Jewish people and Israelis are scared of anything to do with Nazism 
and
> Hitler. Even my entire family was wiped out by German soldiers (we 
know the
> names of the officers and the units who commited the massacre of 
our little
> town in the then Poland), I have no grudge against Hitler and 
Germans. I
> understood at a certain stage that it was a necessary step, like a 
painful
> operation in the body of humankind. I would like to know where is 
your web
> site and what you keep there. What actually scared you with 
Steiner? Best
> wishes,
> 
> 
> > I don't tell you HOW to read Steiner and I dare say that you can 
tell
> > me how to read him. Just as Jews and many people find Bailey 
totally
> > anti-semitic and racist you could tell them that they are talking
> > about people who are serving the race until you are blue in the 
face
> > and they will be totally unmoved. The same with Steiner. He is
> > subject to the same interpretation. I was open minded about 
Steiner
> > when I first picked up his books, but then another reality of his
> > works took over. It was NOT something I was looking for. I was
> > totally shocked at the undertones and the thinking I found in 
those
> > books. They scared the heck out of me. Perceptions are valid. If 
you
> > perceive that I am wrong, fine, you are entitled, but so am I
> > entitled to believe what I want about Steiner.
> >
> > I see he and Hitler as sympatico. I look beyond his words, 
apparently
> > as you have done with me. You are reading what you will into what 
I
> > have said. I have a whole website and thousands of unpublished 
papers
> > about the links between people that I am researching. I am 
objective
> > about Hitler, that is why my views are unpopular. You are 
misreading
> > me, that's all I can say. But you go right ahead.
> >
> > Netemara
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "netemara888" <netemara888@y...>
> > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:11 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Steiner and Hitler were contemporaries
> > >
> > >
> > > > I spent time carefully reading a couple of Steiner's works 
and if
> > > > THIS is not the inspiration for Hitler's words and deeds I 
don't
> > know
> > > > what is. The thought that came to me when I read Steiner and
> > compared
> > > > the dates of their lives is that Hitler could have even been
> > > > occupying both bodies at one time! That's how similar their 
auras
> > and
> > > > spirits were. But if you do compare the dates when Steiner 
died
> > > > forget the year, then immediately after that Hitler's power 
became
> > > > explosive. I mean everything he touched after that came to
> > fruition
> > > > until his demise at the hands of the Allies.
> > > >
> > > > That is food for thought. Steiner's work is scary to me. His
> > people
> > > > also believe in and channel a spirit named Michael. I am not 
sure
> > how
> > > > that fits in but read him. He changed the name of his group 
from
> > > > Theosophy and changed its ideals as well. I can't read his 
works
> > too
> > > > much because I am don't like the feeling of evil I get by
> > something
> > > > coming out of his works. This is NOT the feeling I have ever
> > gotten
> > > > from reading Blavatsky or from reading Bailey.
> > > >
> > > > Netemara
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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