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Re: Theos-World re "Re: What Is Happening In America?" (addendum)

Jul 13, 2003 02:28 PM
by Bill Meredith


Hi Mauri, one possible answer for you is given below. Of course there are
other possible answers if you need to know them as well.

"On ignorance depends karma; on karma depends consciousness; on
consciousness depend name and form; on name and form depend the five organs
of sense; on the five organs of sense depends contact; on contact depends
sensation; on sensation depends desire; on desire depends clutching; on
clutching depends existence; on existence depends birth; on birth depend old
age and death, sorrow, lamentation, misery, grief, and despair."

--Buddha's "twelve-fold concatenation of cause and effect" quoted from the
Great Philosophers, Vol 1)

Suffering, then, is the result of ignorance.


Bill


From: "Mauri" <mhart@idirect.ca>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World re "Re: What Is Happening In America?" (addendum)


> And to "suffer" is to ...
>
> Speculatively,
> Mauri
>
> Bill Meredith wrote:
> >
> > Hi Adelasie. Your writings are often inspirational.
> >
> > I wish to offer the possibility that "worry" itself is an insidious form
of
> > suffering. So also, perhaps, are our "beliefs" based on our needful
> > imaginings. To need is to suffer.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "adelasie" <adelasie@surfari.net>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World re "Re: What Is Happening In America?"
(addendum)
> >
> > > Dear Leonardo,
> > >
> > > At first I thought this info was shocking. Then I started thinking
> > > about some of the history of the Western world that I know of: Viking
> > > marauders slaughtering families along the coast of Briton,
> > > skulduggery and high political opportunism, with murder of opposition
> > > by war or poisoning thrown in during the Italian Renaissance,
> > > wholesale slaughter by any means, deception and destruction of the
> > > Native American people by Western Europeans, and the list goes on.
> > > Whatever lowdown black tactics are being used in politics these days,
> > > (and I suspect it is the same everywhere, not just in the US) they
> > > are nothing new.
> > >
> > > What I want to know is what do we do about it? Clearly things should
> > > change. If we recognize the fact of reincarnation, we know that we
> > > ourselves are the cyclic perpetrators of this generalized outrage
> > > against Nature and its Law. And, of course, since we do not learn the
> > > lessons, the payback keeps getting worse, the stakes get higher. Once
> > > all we had to worry about was a bunch of guys with swords. Now we
> > > have to worry about someone pushing a button which destroys a whole
> > > city in an instant.
> > >
> > > We can take exception to your interpretation of the evidence it we
> > > like. But whichever side we are on, whatever our point of view, we
> > > come up with a whole lot of evidence that mankind is due for some
> > > renovation of the heart. As far as I can see there is just no real
> > > justification for making someone else suffer, period.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Adelasie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 13 Jul 2003 at 5:35, leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sure, if you consider that the Nazi style of government in Germany
was
> > > > run by a similar election swiping puppet that, in the beginning was
> > > > sponsored by a "military industrial complex" financed by the Bush
> > > > Family and their cohorts. (That, incidentally, Eisenhower knew was
> > > > being planned by his right wing Republican "handlers" [right from
the
> > > > beginning of Hitler's "New World Order"] to be continuued in America
> > > > after the defeat of Germany). Vide the more than 2000 ex SS people
> > > > that were brought into this country after the war, some of whom are
> > > > still linked with the CIA that Bush senior was once the boss of.
This
> > > > was one of the reasons why Ike, an honorable man, gave up trying to
be
> > > > an effective administrator in his second term (possibly in fear of
his
> > > > life) and spent most of his time playing golf after he warned us to
> > > > beware of that M-I complex. All this was a known fact among many ex
> > > > military intelligence and OSS-CIA people who knew the whole inside
> > > > story but kept the secrets -- since, besides their secrecy oaths, it
> > > > was a matter of life and death to publicly talk about what they
knew.
> > > > In fact one of my former OSS friends (the manager of Radio Free
Europe
> > > > during the war), a brave warrior and theosophist, died under
> > > > suspicious circumstances in the mid 80's, and the book he was
writing
> > > > about the influence of Richard Nixon on the development of these
plans
> > > > (while he was general council for Bechtel Corp. and also Attorney
for
> > > > U.S. Office of Emergency Management (1942) , even while ostensibly
> > > > serving as a Naval officer, and surreptitiously, as a military
attache
> > > > to Eisenhower's staff) mysteriously disappeared. (Besides myself,
> > > > there were more than half a dozen former MI, OSS and CIA people at
my
> > > > friend's funeral who voiced equal suspicions about his death and the
> > > > missing manuscripts -- which some of us had seen snippets of earlier
> > > > or had contributed inside information for the writing of.) Did
anyone
> > > > ever wonder why Nixon was chosen as Eisenhower's running mate in
1952
> > > > (after Truman backed down and was sent off to pasture)? If you
search
> > > > deep enough on the web, and are a trained intelligence gatherer, you
> > > > can find many snippets of evidence that, together, tell this whole
> > > > story of how the military industrial complex in America today was
> > > > started in Germany with the international cartels set up after world
> > > > war I -- with all the links funneled through Wall Street banking
firms
> > > > ostensibly controlled by Prescott Bush (Dubya's grandfather). For
> > > > starters, you might look up the "Unauthorized Biography" of George
> > > > Bush. As I said, where there's smoke, there's fire. Isn't the
> > > > oligarchy that rules America today, and their links to Bechtel Corp.
> > > > (that will get the major contracts for rebuilding Iraq, as they did
> > > > Germany) as obvious as the nose on your face? And, who personally
> > > > benefits by this endless and costly war in Iraq along with the tax
> > > > cuts that Bush gave out when the country is suffering its worst
> > > > deficit in its history? Wake up and smell the coffee. The Nazis
> > > > haven't gone away. They just moved to the United States under the
> > > > wing of our missile and space programs -- which are an integral part
> > > > of the Military Industrial Complex (that, incidentally, also
controls
> > > > the pharmaceutical Industry that has been raping America and is the
> > > > primary beneficiary of Bush's so called anti AIDS Program for
Africa).
> > > >
> > > > Leonardo
> > > > >
> > > > > Bart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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