Theos-Talk Archives (July 2003 Message tt00315)

Hi Leon,

> But, by the same laws, when such a moving force of karma is faced 
by an equal 
> and opposite karmic force traveling in the same medium, that 
initial force 
> must be neutralized and, therefore, have no further effect on the 
initiator. 
> Isn't this how one can transcend all past karma upon achieving a 
high level of 
> adeptship or mastership and, by using the knowledge of creation so 
gained, 
> creating counteracting karma? They say that the way to transcend 
one's karma can 
> also be achieved by "stepping aside," out of its path so to speak, 
by initiat
> ing a complete change of heart and mind, donning the Nirmanakaya 
robe, and 
> taking on the arduous role of the Bodhisattva. 
I don't understand it that way - I think. Even the karma of the 
adepts must be dealt with by somebody, when they make a mistake. HPB 
in the secret doctrine somewhere talks about how when one adept chose 
to die at 30 - though he himself (as a monad I suppose) did not need 
to suffer for it - another adept was killed at that age. So it seems 
not so much the karma gets neutralized, as it gets depersonalized. 
Which is logical if you realize that mahatmas aren't as attached to 
their personal stuff (thoughts, feelings, emotions, things, bodies, 
people etc.) as we are. This does fit with your phrase: stepping 
aside. 

Still, it is also said somewhere that it would be selfish to try to 
avoid your karma, because that would mean the karmic dept would not 
get paid. Since adepts and Budha's are supposed to care for humanity 
more than for themselves, I think paying their karmic dept would be 
their first priority. 

Katinka

> Such an act of contrition and 
> sacrifice, coupled with a pure mind and powerful will could very 
easily set up a 
> wave of counteracting karmic force that would neutralize all 
previous past 
> karma (of that individual spiritual being). On the other hand, no 
Master could 
> say, "We refuse to interfere in anyone's karma" if they didn't have 
the power to 
> do so.
> 
> The workings of karma are strange indeed (since its action and 
reaction can 
> be modified by various means). It's only the fundamental "laws of 
karma" that 
> are immutable. And those laws are simply "electrical" in nature -- 
even though 
> they act on different levels of cosmic energy and vibration. (This 
for the 
> metaphysicians among us who have thoroughly understood the Secret 
Doctrine.)
> 
> However, in the case of HPB, I think you are right in that all that 
was 
> needed was for her to decide to carry on, and with the help of the 
Masters (perhaps 
> as her guides) will her life threatening terminal disease into 
remission -- 
> while she completed the job she found it necessary to take on for 
them. 
> Besides, isn't it a theosophical maxim that "everything is in the 
mind"? If so, how 
> can we separate the mind from its karma, or the spirit from its 
mind -- or 
> either of them from the will that holds them together? (Except, 
perhaps, in 
> Pralaya or Nirvana/Satori/Samhadi. :-)
> 
> Leon
> 
> >Katinka