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Re: Theos-World Theosophy, brotherhood, prayer and political action.

Oct 07, 2003 02:14 PM
by Morten Nymann Olesen

Hi Leon and all of you,

Well, your remark is wellmeant I know.

To me you sort of miss the point with my email.
The point is - which Theososophical groups or offshoots are flourishing
mostly these days and why ?
And are these groups helpful to the cause - or do they need a kind
blavatskian oppostion or help ?
To me the Alice A. Bailey groupings are fast growing groups - maybe the
fastest - when we talk theosophical offshoots.

Other groups of importance ? Anyone ?

I am not against these new groups presented by you in the earliere email in
the sense, that I think they mean well.
I am against these issue I have been touching upon in my latest 10 emails or
so, - (i.e. mostly those of them not being a reply to an email) - NOT being
dealt with in the different Theosophical groups - because there is certainly
a need for it - if
the Theosophical groups wants to follow Blavatskys view on a MULTICULTURAL
approach on Theosophy.
An approach where - we cull the GOOD we find in each system of teaching - of
course old teaching system as well as the new ones !
An approach where the ASPIRANT are being given the chance to develop a
global outlook upon the Planet - and
not the rapidly spreading Alice A. Bailey version with its - heavily
westernized teachings, calling God - "he" and
the Muslim faiths a HYBRID OFFSHOOT (EP vol1., page 167). And various Bailey
groups ritualistic approaches are not healthy in many cases.

The Blavatsky approach is needed more than ever in our present Information
Society !
It should of course be updated and adapted to the present day teachings.
Because we live in an information society - the importance of a
mulitcultural approach is vital. The understanding
of paradigms as well - because of the computer-age and fast
science-developments which creates fast changes in the different countries
The cameras are turning themselves more and more in the direction of the
United Nations and its work.
The United Religious Initiative shouldn't be underestimated. (Pro-Bailey
follower Robert Muller was one of the co-founders. Robert Muller is a former
United Nations advisor to the then Secretary General U Thant).

W. Q. Judge said, that crystallization of the teaching should be avoided. I
Now if this is what ULT are doing when they teach Theosophy - then allright.
But I have my view - and it is that the Teachers at ULT doesn't- because
they can't, the reason being, that they stick - too much - to a limited
number of books as valid wisdom teaching.
There is an audience - there are teachers. The audience has a spiritual need
for a certain spiritual teaching - and they won't get it at ULT for certain
obvious reasons.
The audience also have a Want for teaching. What they Want is not always
what they spirituallę Need to be taught.

What the students can get from ULT is - reading the original works (at least
to a certain degree). And thanks so very much for that.
This is important ! And here we can agree.

Blavatsky made a - stir in the world, in fact world wide. This is
Theosophy - proper and even Militant !
ULT - only wishpers in the wind !

The members of Theos-talk was offered to be members of ULT in an email here
at Theos-Talk some days back.
I offered to become a member in an email.
I havnt received an answer yet.
This is not allright with me.

This is the break I will give us all.
We can only do our best.

M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophy, brotherhood, prayer and political

Hey Sufi...

How about getting off the ULT bashing by innuendo business? Haven't you got
it yet? The only way such a group like the "Noosphere" thinkers (and doers)
could have come aćbout is if the "theosophists" who started it were
students" -- either in or out of ULT -- and not tied up with old archaic
forms of monolithic religions or political concepts like Sufism, Buddhism,
Hinduism, Judaism, TheosophicalSocietyism, Catholicism, Taoism, Communism,
Capitalism, etc., etc., etc.

So, give us a break already, and start practicing what you preach, by
us make theosophy dynamic in ALL directions. just go look around the
Internet at the action postings by independent theosophists (including my
web sites,
noosphere's, Chris Holmes', Reed Carson's, noetic science groups, etc,
etc. -- 
some of which propose a whole new scientific way of looking at theosophical
metaphysics, and others that offer action projects that are directed to the
theosophical moles caught up in their closed spin circles, as well as
the surrounding world)... And, see for yourself how many of them come out
ULT, or "independent" association with theosophy, rather than any religious,
political or philosophical organizational group.

Or, haven't you awakened yet to what's needed and going on (at least at the
starting gate) in the practical world -- that certainly needs our help to
straighten itself out -- before HPB's prediction of dire disaster for human
evolution (if we don't do something about it) comes about?

What do your Sufi teachers say about that?

Best wishes,


In a message dated 10/07/03 7:17:48 AM, writes:

>Hi Leon and all of you,
>Im liked the part about
>"Since the project is dynamic"
>at the link
>So when do we see a dymanic Theosophy changing and adapting to the
>presnet day and circumstance ?
>>I politely ask.
>C-ULT ?

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