Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00231)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> Dear Dallas,
> 
> Here's another reference that may be of interest.
> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoldenTriangle.html
> 
> If we follow the links we can learn everything there is to know 
> mathematically and geometrically about The Decagon, Golden Ratio, 
Golden Rectangle, 
> Isosceles Triangle, Pentagram, plus lots of other symbolic shapes, 
forms, and number 
> series that have relationships to the spherical and linear geometry 
based on 
> the fundamental hyperspace fields as they involve fractally from 
the primal 
> beginning. 
> 
> Also see: Fibonacci Numbers and Golden sections in Nature
> http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fib.html 
> 
> Referring to: 
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif 
> 
> In the diagrams therein of the involution of the coenergetic 
fields -- which 
> are symbolically pictured in cross section, as circles -- the 
planes 
> (horizontal lines drawn through the zero-point centers of the 
descending spheres) 
> follow a regular geometric fractal series (2, 1, 1/2, 1/4, etc.). 
> 
> In actuality, since each field varies in frequency-energy-density 
from top to 
> bottom, the spheres would be egg shaped. Thus, breaking the 
geometric 
> symmetry of the cyclically repeating hyperspheres (and stretching 
their inscribed 
> squares into, possibly, golden rectangles). This transformation 
would, 
> apparently, move their centers, and the planes drawn through them, 
into a Fibonacci 
> series -- which may account for its appearance throughout all of 
nature on our 
> physical plane of reality. It may also account for all the 
variable laws, 
> probabilities and indeterminacies of quantum physics which 
cosmologists see as 
> occurring after initial "inflation" and the so called "breaking of 
symmetry" 
> when the "big bang" (they postulate) occurred. 
> 
> There's much to be pondered on here. 
> 
> To take a twist on Einstein, it may be that God is playing with 
loaded dice. 
> :-)
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Lenny
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> In a message dated 12/10/03 10:37:58 AM, dalval14@e... writes:
> 
> Dec 10th 2003
> 
> Dear Lenny:
> 
> Many thanks for the explanation. Understood.
> 
> In regard to mathematics and geometrical ratios in nature, I have 
been
> reading a remarkable book:
> 
> 
> THE GOLDEN RATIO by Mario Livio 
> 
> (Broadway Books, Random House N. Y.)
> 
> [Mario Livio Ph. D. is head of the Science Division of the space
> Telescope Institute. Previous book: THE ACCELERATING UNIVERSE 
(2000).]
> 
> He gives us a history of the GOLDEN RATIO in mathematics, music, 
art,
> nature and science.
> 
> It is PHI ( 8/5) = 1.6180339887........
> 
> Other "irrational numbers / ratios" are noted and discussed by him 
such
> as:
> 
> PI = 3.1.4159..... (Circumference to diameter ratio of a circle)
> 
> "Disordered systems" mathematics (D. Viswanath, Berkeley U.) 
discovered
> in studying randomness a mathematical constant = 1.13198824.....
> 
> Besides that we have the series noted by Fibonacci in a number 
sequence 
> = 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89,
> 144.........
> 
> It is perhaps significant that these inexpressible ratios are found 
in
> Nature and they may indicate a key to understanding the difference
> between say the various planes that THEOSOPHY speaks of. (i.e.: the
> relationship of physical to astral, to psychic, to mental, to ideal
> planes -- to mention but 5. )
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Dallas
> 
> =========================
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LeonMaurer@a... [mailto:LeonMaurer@a...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:15 AM
> To: study@b...
> Subject: [bn-study] Re: Thanks to all
> 
> I'm sure Dallas can come up with a quote by HPB or WQJ that 
explains all
> this in relatively simple terms. 
> 
> But, the following is one more or less 
> scientific (geometric or topological) way to understand the 
similarities
> and differences between the four fold and sevenfold systems:
> 
> The division of the "coenergetic" and "coadunate but not 
consubstantial"
> fields of consciousness, or "principles" that comprise all living 
beings 
> (from the 
> universe on down, and fully expressed in Man) can be considered as 
One 
> manifest, relatively insubstantial or spiritual outer 
principleencompassing 
> three progressively more substantial dual inner principles. 
> 
> Since all manifest fields of energy are polar and must have both a 
positive 
> and a negative (attractive and repulsive) aspect to support their 
inflation 
> from within, as well as maintain their continued harmonious 
balance --
> no spherical field can exist in manifest space without two 
spherical inner
> fields between its outer circumference and the zero-point of 
origination at 
> its
> center. These (today, called "hyperspace") fields, are each of a 
different
> degree of substantiality related to their descending 
frequency/energy 
> orders (or phase changes).
> 
> Thus, the configuration of the first manifest 3-fold (or 3 cycle) 
field 
> complex emanating from any zero-point-instant "singularity" is what
> constitutes the triune "Monad." 
> 
> Upon Cosmic manifestation, the initial Cosmic Monad continues to 
involve
> or divide in a progressive dual or fractal manner, to form eight 
fields
> (four dual fields) or seven Chakra centers in each successive 
octaval 
> involutional stage.
> 
> Therefore, each of the three inner principles or fields of 
consciousness
> of the four fold system must be dual in nature, totaling (after the 
third 
> involutional stage when the inner six field centers are added to the
> surrounding and all containing "spiritual" field center) seven 
Chakras
> or field centers. 
> 
> Thus, depending on one's point of view, the entire system can be 
seen as
> either four fold or sevenfold. This corresponds to the "four 
worlds" of the 
> Buddhist-Hindu systemss, and the "seven fold (or seven Chakra 
centers)
> nature of Man" in both the Eastern philosophical systems and the
> theosophical system. 
> 
> Picture this (like bubbles within bubbles within bubbles, etc.) as 
a single 
> sphere within which are two spheres, and within each of which are 
two 
> additional spheres, etc. 
> 
> This "fractal" involution of monadic fields continues analogously, 
ad 
> infinitum, down to the smallest particle of physical nature, as the
> Cosmos continues to evolve and spread its zero-point centers of 
origin
> throughout all of manifest space. This accounts for the ancient 
adages 
> that "The center of the universe is everywhere and it 
circumference, 
> nowhere" and, "As above, so below."
> 
> This arrangement, representing the progressive 3, 1, 4, 1, 5 or 
twice 7
> fold nature of universal involution during the initial stages of
> manifestation (See: Book of Dzyan, Stanza IV), can be easily 
visualized 
> by studying and meditating on the symbolic cross sectional diagrams 
while 
> following the spiraling and vortical flow of continuously 
circulating energy 
> emanating from any zero-point "Laya center." See:
> 
http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.ht
ml
> 
> Other field arrangements (possibly occurring at different levels of 
logoic 
> involution's) -- which also conform to the harmonic laws of cycles, 
and
> its derivative laws of fundamental symmetry and conservation of 
energy --
> are symbolically shown at: 
> http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/invlutionflddiagnotate.gif
> http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif
> 
> Incidentally, the above diagrams may also be useful in visualizing 
and
> better understanding the evolution of the "globes" and 
their "rounds" and
> "races." (But, do not take these diagrams literally, since they are 
limited to
> only two dimensions and do not represent the fields within fields 
within
> fields of our multidimensional hyperspace universe.) 
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> LHM
> 
> In a message dated 12/08/03 12:36:00 PM, shridharlukka@h...
> writes:
> 
> >Can anyone please explain what is the difference between sevenfold
> >classification and four fold classification. In simple words 
please.
> >I am extreamly happy to meet persons who know about T.Subbarao.
> >Thanks once again.
> >
> >Sridhar





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Lenny,

The indeterminacy of which you allude to, could
be and would relate to the "seven" undefined but known
mathematical expressions. They are or should be
quaquaversal in nature; like the Big Bang. That is, it
has six points of direction @360 degrees and one center!

Alden