Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00247)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "arielaretziel" 
<arielaretziel@y...> wrote:
> 
> I don't know of any mental imbalances that occur in meditation 
from eating 
> meat. 

I am afraid you mixed up my metaphors. I did not say that meat 
eating caused mental imbalances when meditating. I said it is easier 
to follow the path, the karmas are lightened when one is NOT eating 
meat and is also trying to meditate. 

It may may meditation harder but not saying it causes imbalances.

What I do know is that the sphere of sensation is gross in the meat 
eater 
> and needs to be subtle to penetrate the mysteries. A vegetarian 
diet helps, as 
> does fasting when done properly. Vegans develope a subtlety of 
sensation 
> that is also quite better.
>

yes I agree with this.

> What does cause mental imbalance is to meditate while intoxicated 
with 
> specific alchoho;ic beverages, modern nicotine products, and 
caffien.

I have also written this to someone who sent me an email asking 
about these things and I told them that what you mentioned should 
not be mixed with meditation.

This all 
> is a matter of experimentation, though you may find all kinds of 
mental 
> imbalances projecting out into your life, all these are learning 
experiences.
>
Yes, it is all a laboratory.

> Ariel
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > Hallo all of you,
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > Permit me to ask:
> > Does this then imply, that one shouldn't walk around among 
sinners 
> anymore,
> > so to help them ?
> > I think Jesus Christ did that.
> > 
> > I think it is important to forward this question.
> > 
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "netemara888" <netemara888@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:05 AM
> > Subject: Theos-World Should I give up meat?
> > 
> > 
> > > That is somewhat of an unspoken concern about many people who 
eat
> > > meat but want to meditate. I will tell you honestly, I have 
taken it
> > > on the chin and gone out on a limb in order to test many of 
these
> > > spiritual things which are sometimes a trial in order to 
report back
> > > to myself, my soul and others whether or not there is some 
spiritual
> > > truth to these things.
> > >
> > > I tell you truly that there is a karma attached to eating 
meat. It
> > > is real. The more time you have spent in vegetarianism and
> > > meditation the more clearly this will become for you.
> > >
> > > The RS masters liken it to wearing a thin shirt to wearing a 
heavy
> > > coat and running in the summer. That is a good analogy. Which 
one is
> > > easier? It is not that it is impossible to do so, but it is 
easier.
> > >
> > > It is like sand continually going back into the hole each time 
you
> > > dig when you eat meat, drink alcohol and try to meditate.
> > >
> > > Then there are those who doubt that this is a real path, or the
> > > camino real as they call it also. I would have to say that the 
proof
> > > is in the results. I can look at journals I have written and 
turn to
> > > any year in time and find answers that I am looking for. 
Especially
> > > when I face a fork in the road.
> > >
> > > You can have this kind of peace of mind as well, if you seek 
it.
> > >
> > > There are studies which show that the alpha brain wave pattern 
is
> > > increased or easier to establish when you meditate daily. Then 
there
> > > are people who say that a mental imbalance might show up when 
one
> > > begins to meditate.
> > >
> > > I don't believe that. I think if you really examine the life 
of the
> > > person who makes this claim it can be established that there 
was
> > > some sort of mental imbalance before the meditation began.
> > > Meditation is like medicine, take it only under the direction 
of a
> > > spiritual doctor.
> > >
> > > Netemara
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >