Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00367)

Dallas,

Yes, the "causative" planes cannot be literally pictured or schemed by 
drawings or mental concepts limited to the "effective" planes we can observe through 
our physical senses. 

However, such images can be symbolically or figuratively interpreted in our 
higher intuitive mind so as to comprehend, analogously, the actual interplay 
and correlation of positive and negative forces between all the planes and 
within each adjacent field of consciousness. 

This true intuitive comprehension is made possible because their basic field 
forms -- (while in different hidden hyperspace dimensions that are coadunate 
but not consubstantial, yet still relatively "physical" or material) -- are 
always spherical. And, their fractal involution obeys the fundamental laws of 
cycles... While their forces -- being electrical in nature (although, at 
different levels, orders or phases of frequency-energy, with their fundamental 
constants, such as time, quantum size, velocity of light or electromagnetic motion, 
etc., being also different) -- obey all the harmonic and energetic laws of 
"electricity" and "light"... These laws being limited and differing (within 
their separate but interconnected and coenergetic locations in enfolded hyperspace 
realms) by the relative differences between their "physical" constants. 

(Note: Here, "physical" refers to all forces in all hyperspace fields of 
consciousness that are in definite linear, rather than in abstract nonlinear 
motion. [Such as the fundamental "spinergy" of the zero- (laya) point.] 
Theosophically, this applies to all coenergetic fields of consciousness from 
the seven fold higher order fields of Mahatma, to the seven fold lower order 
fields of the Cosmic body, and analogously, to the seven fold fields of each 
being within it. 

Thus, sidereal light on our lower physical level or bodily plane of 
consciousness travels much slower than the light on the higher (frequency) or inner 
(field) astral and mental planes. 

And, therefore, the substantiality of the fields in the various nested 
hyperspace realms are "invisible" or hidden to us -- since their frequencies are 
beyond the sensitivity limits of our lower (frequency) bodily senses. 

But, we can examine them by simply raising our consciousness, through the 
concentrated willful transferring of our zero-point of awareness to a higher 
order of frequency-energy level -- while in deep meditative concentration... Or, 
specifically, when in process of "quieting all the lower sensory channels" and 
"eliminating the modifications of the thinking principle" -- as explained by 
Patanjali in his Yoga Aphorisms, and described in The Voice of the Silence.

Thus, we see that all the fundamental laws of material nature apply at all 
the different levels of both causative and effective space-time -- although 
their "physical" constants change. That is why we can say, "as above, so below." 
And, see these fields and the action of their forces as being analogous and 
corresponding to one another.

Referring to the symbolic universal involution or "chakrafield" diagrams**; 
>From a physical point of view, each field of consciousness above is "causative" 
with respect to the "effective" fields below. 

Thus, the mental fields are causative of the astral fields, and the astral 
fields are causative of the body fields... With the spiritual field, as the 
container of all and the first spherical "ring pass not" reflection of the 
zero-point and its inherent spinergy, being (through action of willful intent) 
causative of them all. Implying that pure individual awareness is the inherent 
nature of the zero-point at whatever level of energy or hyperspace field of 
consciousness it manifests on or in. Since these zero-point centers are everywhere, 
in every field, they are all coadunate, and therefore, have no resistance to 
the transfer of the modulations or motions of their energy between them... 
Thus accounting for clairvoyance, clairaudience, action at a distance, or 
teleportation, along with other psychic powers, etc.

Therefore, even the simplest drawings or mental images that indicate such 
sphericity as well as the energy flows and correlation's, can indicate to us, 
intuitively, how the forces and fields interrelate with each other, and allow us 
to abstractly imagine how the holographic images in adjacent fields reverse, 
as well as understand how the inductive resonance between fields allows the 
transferring of holographic information (as interference patterns in their wave 
forms) from field to field. 

Incidentally, when modern science comprehends this, they will be able to 
correlate their information theories with their physical theories, and thus 
understand the interrelationships between consciousness, mind and matter... As 
separate, but interconnected, and interdependent entities, that periodically spring 
forth, expand from, and contract into the eternal zero-point of absolute 
space. 

They will then also recognize that the "experience of consciousness" or 
awareness of "qualia" is the fundamental characteristic of the zero-point, or 
"absolute space" itself... And, is capable of any infinite degree of experience of 
expressed form and motion (i.e., numberless spherical universes, each with 
numberless fractal hyperspace fields within fields within fields, etc.)... With 
such experience "detected" by simple projection and reflection -- subject to 
the laws of cycles and periodicity inherent in its fundamental latent force, 
"spinergy" or abstract angular momenta. Such force in any such universe or 
hyperspace field, being due to the abstract circular spin, both clockwise and 
counterclockwise on any particular three perpendicular directions out of an 
infinite number of potentially spherical axes. This fundamental concept symbolizes, 
in a nutshell, the essence of and linkages between both conditioned and 
unconditioned reality.

Of course, this comprehension of the correlation of forces (limited, 
naturally, to our particular universe) can only be experienced by each of us 
subjectively through our higher intuitive mind that looks directly on ideas... Since, 
the multidimensional fields of the seven fold nature of ourselves and the 
universe cannot be seen, pictured, or examined in our rational mind -- except 
symbolically, figuratively, or metaphorically. 

It's also obvious that -- since time and space are both subject to change as 
they continuously expand and contract while fractally involving and physically 
evolving, and that there is a continuous friction between all their adjacent 
moving parts (i.e., knots or folds of mass-energies continuously evolving in 
space and bumping into and interfering with each other) -- nothing can be 
permanent or have eternal existence in any field of consciousness. This is also 
the basis of the scientific laws of "entropy" and "inertia."

Thus, from the tiny cycles of spiritual to physical photons, through immense 
cycles of Manvantara's, to immeasurable Cosmic lifetimes -- all are limited in 
time subject to the level of initial primal energy or force in the "spinergy" 
of their laya point (i.e., speaking scientifically: the "singularity" in 
their "black hole") of origin. 

Hope this makes things a bit clearer. :-)

Best wishes,

Lenny

**http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html
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In a message dated 12/13/03 8:51:58 PM, dalval14@earthlink.net writes:

>Many thanks Lenny;
>
>Will refer to and see.
>
>Off hand I would say the causative planes (within and determinative of
>the physical) cannot be entirely pictured or schemed.
>
>We have a problem not knowing with our "lower manasic" and "physical
>brain" mind how to depict the inner astral/psychic/mental/ spiritual
>planes and forces.
>
>One think is made clear and that nature never repeats exactly. All is
>done by similarity and analogy. E.g.:. the SUN drags the planetary
>system across new areas of SPACE all the time -- analogetic, yet
>constantly changing ( S D I 141-143). Physical states and properties
>are not eternal.
>
>What do you say?
>
>Dal
>
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: leon
>Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:00 PM
>To: 
>Subject: [bn-study] Re: Thanks to all
>
>Dear Dallas,
>
>Here's another reference that may be of interest.
>http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoldenTriangle.html
>
>If we follow the links we can learn everything there is to know 
>mathematically and geometrically about The Decagon, Golden Ratio, 
>Golden Rectangle, Isosceles Triangle, Pentagram, plus lots of other 
>symbolic shapes, forms, and number series that have relationships to 
>the spherical and linear geometry based on the fundamental 
>hyperspace fields as they involve fractally from the primal 
>beginning. 
>
>Also see: Fibonacci Numbers and Golden sections in Nature
>http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fib.html 
>
>Referring to: http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif 
>
>In the diagrams therein of the involution of the coenergetic fields -- which 
>are symbolically pictured in cross section, as circles -- the planes 
>(horizontal lines drawn through the zero-point centers of the descending
>spheres) follow a regular geometric fractal series (2, 1, 1/2, 1/4, etc.). 
>
>In actuality, since each field varies in frequency-energy-density from top 
to 
>bottom, the spheres would be egg shaped. Thus, breaking the geometric
>
>symmetry of the cyclically repeating hyperspheres (and stretching their
>inscribed 
>squares into, possibly, golden rectangles). This transformation would,
>
>apparently, move their centers, and the planes drawn through them, into
>a Fibonacci series -- which may account for its appearance throughout
>all of nature on our physical plane of reality. It may also account for
>all the variable laws, 
>probabilities and indeterminacies of quantum physics which cosmologists
>see as occurring after initial "inflation" and the so called "breaking of
>symmetry" when the "big bang" (they postulate) occurred. 
>
>There's much to be pondered on here. 
>
>To take a twist on Einstein, it may be that God is playing with loaded
>dice. :-)
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Lenny
>
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>
>In a message dated 12/10/03 10:37:58 AM, dalval14@earthlink.net writes:
>
>Dec 10th 2003
>
>Dear Lenny:
>
>Many thanks for the explanation. Understood.
>
>In regard to mathematics and geometrical ratios in nature, I have been
>reading a remarkable book:
>
>
> THE GOLDEN RATIO by Mario Livio 
>
> (Broadway Books, Random House N. Y.)
>
>[Mario Livio Ph. D. is head of the Science Division of the space
>Telescope Institute. Previous book: THE ACCELERATING UNIVERSE (2000).]
>
>He gives us a history of the GOLDEN RATIO in mathematics, music, art,
>nature and science.
>
>It is PHI ( 8/5) = 1.6180339887........
>
>Other "irrational numbers / ratios" are noted and discussed by him such
>as: PI = 3.1.4159..... (Circumference to diameter ratio of a circle)
>
>"Disordered systems" mathematics (D. Viswanath, Berkeley U.) discovered
>in studying randomness a mathematical constant = 1.13198824.....
>
>Besides that we have the series noted by Fibonacci in a number sequence
>
> = 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144...
>
>It is perhaps significant that these inexpressible ratios are found in
>Nature and they may indicate a key to understanding the difference
>between say the various planes that THEOSOPHY speaks of. (i.e.: the
>relationship of physical to astral, to psychic, to mental, to ideal
>planes -- to mention but 5. )
>
>What do you think?
>
>Dallas
>
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