Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00123)

Helloooooooo yourself. Why are you reinventing the wheel here? The 
other seminal tome which was dedicated to HPB (which is my Bible) 
is "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire" which deals with electrical fire and 
all the rest. I've been studying it for 35 years as well, long 
before I had a scientific background because it was the same as the 
Indian Philosophies, and hell I understood those. So I took what I 
did understand and applied it to what I did not (there's a definite 
name for that but it escapes me now) and voila, I know as much about 
physics, in the theoretical sense as any physicist, and can listen 
to any lecture on the subject.

However, AAB took the SD and parlayed it into The Cosmic Fire 
Treatise with HPB's blessings. What say you about this Leon?

Netemara


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Referring to the HPB quote and the article below:
> 
> How about that? Looks like they are almost getting close to my 
ABC theory 
> (which was almost presaged by HPB and pretty much consistent with 
everything she 
> taught). 
>    
> But they still haven't figured out how all those electrical fields 
come into 
> being. Or, more importantly, how they relate to consciousness and 
give rise 
> to mind, memory -- and brains (not to mention, bodies:-)? Be nice 
if the 
> cosmologists and string theorists get together... (And then ask me 
[or HPB] to fill 
> in the links to the missing zero-points of pure consciousness 
between the em 
> fields and the strings.:-)  
> 
> In any event, the "Big Bang" may still be a viable concept -- so 
long as we 
> realize it may just be the apparently singular instant at the 
beginning of (our 
> sidereal) time when the universe fell into matter and changed from 
its 
> spiritual (noumenal) to its physical (phenomenal) state. (Of 
course, in Cosmic 
> time, since it also had to evolve through the mental and astral 
planes, that may 
> have taken ages.) Before that sudden appearance in our sidereal 
space-time 
> level, the numbers, spatial directions, frequencies, and time 
relationships used 
> for scientific measurement in our visible metric universe, would 
have no 
> reality.  
> 
> So, as far as science is concerned, that's where everything 
appeared to begin 
> -- all at once. Because of that, somebody, said it seems like an 
explosion, 
> so they gave it the name "Big Bang," and it stuck. But, then, a 
lightning 
> bolt seems like an explosion to us, and that's an electrical 
effect, too, that 
> has a finite velocity of propagation. Between those last two 
states is where 
> modern science (that tries to imagine the whole by examining all 
the parts and 
> figuring how they interrelate) gets lost in space. 
> 
> One problem, besides getting hooked on the particles as being 
fundamental 
> (rather than the wave) is that they don't yet fully understand the 
fundamental 
> electrical nature of the material universe that must originate in 
the abstract 
> motion (superspin or spinergy) of the nonmaterial energy source 
behind their 
> "Big Bang." And, that spin must lead to cycles, and cycles lead 
to waves, and 
> waves have to flow like electricity and obey all the same laws of 
> electrodynamics such as voltage (pressure), amperage (volume), 
resistance, capacitance, 
> inductance, phase, resonance, harmonics, etc., as well as generate 
wave fronts 
> that act as particles that smash into things. (Incidentally, these 
laws are 
> analogously similar to all the laws of hydrodynamics.)  
>     
> Another problem is that the parts keep shifting around trying to 
get back to 
> that superspin or spinergy (the root of electricity, cycles and 
periodicity) 
> they came from. (All fundamental electrical forces, including 
gravity, can be 
> both attractive and repulsive depending on the polarity.) So, 
when science 
> gets down to observing the smallest parts (quantum particles), 
they change their 
> motion (energy level) and, consequently, their position just by 
looking at 
> them. Quantum physics thinks that's because these properties are 
indeterminate 
> and subject to statistical probability laws. (But, maybe, those 
mites know 
> what they are doing. :-)  
> 
> Actually, these apparent effects may be because we can only 
observe something 
> by reflection. And that means sending out a ray of 
electromagnetic energy 
> (light, electrons, x-rays or otherwise) to bounce off the object.  
When that 
> energetic corpuscle or "inquiray" (sic) wave front has the same 
energy as the 
> small particle (which is also an electrical wave front) the 
particle reacts by 
> moving backward and/or changing its direction of spin -- like a 
billiard ball 
> when tapped with the cue stick. (Since, from a theosophical point 
of view, the 
> observer's consciousness, or consciously directed will or intent 
which must be 
> a projection of minute energy, can interfere with the 
consciousness aspect of 
> the quantum particle -- could this be a partial explanation of the 
mechanisms 
> behind some forms of psychic phenomena?)  
> 
> So, when we try to locate the position of an electron, we can't 
determine its 
> momentum, and when we try to measure its momentum, we can't 
determine its 
> position. But, to the scientist, that can only mean that the 
universe is 
> governed by probability laws... When, actually, it is governed by 
the informational 
> wave patterns of electrical energy carried by the invisible 
hyperspace fields 
> that exist in the apparently empty space between the zero-point 
and the quantum 
> particle. Science labels this space, the Planck distance, and 
fills it with 
> perturbations or "Cosmic foam" of the "vacuum" -- without really 
knowing what 
> they are talking about. Although, they know from Einstein's 
theory of 
> relativity, that the closer you get to the zero-point the greater 
the energy, until at 
> the zero-point, it approaches infinity (by our measurements). Of 
course, 
> this completely violates all the rules of quantum physics, since 
its mathematics 
> can only deal with finite particles having finite energies. So, 
what to do?  
> Science needs a new paradigm that can bring these two theories 
into 
> conformance with each other. Well, that's what string physics is 
all about.   
> 
> So, the more advanced Superstring/M-brane theorists are beginning 
to see that 
> these vibrational patterns on the one dimensional ray of energy 
> ("superstring") that composes the surface ("M-brane") of the 
adjacent zero-point hyperspace 
> fields (theosophically, the Astral realms linked to the mental 
realms), are 
> what determine the vibrational nature of the 2-
dimensional "strings" that 
> compose the quarks and gluons that make up the 3-dimensional 
quantum particles.  
> From there on, electrodynamics takes over and determines the 
nature of the atoms 
> and molecules, and eventually, all the beings in the universe -- 
from viruses 
> to stars, quasars and black holes. A process -- starting from 
zero, and 
> ending up with our space time continuum -- that is as simple as 
ABC. (That is, if 
> you look at it simultaneously from both the inside out AND the 
outside in.)  
> 
> And, it will become so simple when these scientists begin to 
understand how 
> zero-point consciousness (awareness and will) is physiologically, 
chemically, 
> neurological, and psychologically linked to all those material 
entities through 
> their coenergetic hyperspace electrical fields.  
> 
> Thus, such a new paradigm will eventually -- by tying together and 
> correlating holographic information theory with Superstring/M-
brane physics and its 
> hyperspace fields (matter) married to consciousness (spirit) 
which, together, 
> originate simultaneously at the cosmic field's zero-laya-point 
center -- give us a 
> Unified Field Theory of Everything. Incidentally, that is what 
the 
> theosophical and scientifically metaphysical theory of ABC has 
already done... 
> Although, conventional science, steeped in its materialistic 
biases, is not yet ready 
> to fully comprehend or accept it.
> 
> But, when they do, which, as HPB predicted, is inevitable, 
theosophy will no 
> longer stand outside of established science, but will merge with 
it. And, 
> from then on, no one will be able to refute the reality of both 
karma and reincarn
> ation and the unity of all beings, along with the moral-ethical 
> responsibilities to each other that they imply. 
>     
> But, didn't we theosophists already know that everything in the 
universe is 
> conscious -- to one degree of expression or another -- and, that 
consciousness 
> is eternal?  
> 
> How could that not be -- since the zero-point center of the 
universe is 
> everywhere, while it's circumference, being the continuous 
interconnected surfaces 
> (or M-branes) of all the coadunate but not consubstantial and 
multidimensional 
> hyperspace electrical fields, is nowhere? And, further, while the 
fields are 
> forever changing, the zero-point (that is their origin) can never 
change its 
> essential "beness," or potential being. 
> 
> To visualize (by using our imagination focussed meditatively in 
the higher 
> mind) how these fields at the primal beginning are, (1) derived 
out of a 
> centralized zero (Laya) point of infinite spinergy, (2) 
coenergetically interrelated 
> with each other in their spiral involution's, (3) have no 
beginning or end 
> (like a snake with its tail in its mouth), (4) follow a continuous 
spiral 
> vortical path that has no separate inside or outside (like a 
Mobius strip or Klein 
> bottle), and (5) simulates the analogous paths as well as the 
topological 
> molecular code of the eventual DNA molecule -- to finally form 14 
inner spherical 
> fields within the outer ring-pass-not field (in accord with the 
formula in the 
> Book of Dzyan, "The 3, the 1, the 4, the 1, the 5, the twice 7, 
the sum total," 
> and the ancient concept, "As above so below") -- see the following 
web sites:
> 
http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.h
tml
> http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/invlutionflddiagnotate.gif
> http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif
> 
> [Note that these diagrams are only symbolic, since they try to 
describe a 
> multidimensional reality in only 2-dimensions. So, don't get 
caught in the 
> linear diagrams, themselves, but visualize the "fields of 
consciousness" as 
> transparent spheres within spheres within spheres, etc., with the 
lines of force 
> wound around their surfaces and through all their zero-point 
centers and tangent 
> points in intertwining spirals, like balls of yarn -- with all 
their beginnings 
> and ends tied together.]
> 
> Lenny
> 
> For an overall picture of the ABC concept, see"
> http://tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 01/06/04 9:56:23 AM, ultinla@j... writes:
> 
> >“Water,” and the “water of life” are all, on our plane, 
the progeny; or
> >as a modern physicist would say, the correlations of 
ELECTRICITY. Mighty
> >word, and a still mightier symbol! Sacred generator of a no less 
sacred
> >progeny; of fire �" the creator, the preserver and the 
destroyer; of light
> >�" the essence of our divine ancestors; of flame�"the Soul of 
things. 
> >Electricity, the ONE Life at the upper rung of Being, and Astral 
Fluid,
> >the Athanor of the Alchemists, at its lowest; GOD and DEVIL, GOOD 
and
> >EVIL. �" SD I, 81
> >
> >================================================
> >
> >There is a revolution just beginning in astronomy/cosmology that 
will
> >rival the one set off by Copernicus and Galileo. This revolution 
is
> >based on the growing realization that the cosmos is highly 
electrical in
> >nature. It is becoming clear that 99% of the universe is made up 
not of
> >"invisible matter", but rather, of matter in the plasma state. 
> >Electrodynamic forces in electric plasmas are much stronger than 
the
> >gravitational force. 
> > Mainstream astrophysicists are continually “surprised” by 
new data
> >sent back by space probes and orbiting telescopes. New 
information
> >always sends theoretical astrophysicists "back to the drawing 
board". 
> >In light of this, it is curious that they have such "cock-sure" 
attitudes
> >about the infallibility of their present models. Those models 
seem to
> >require major "patching up" every time a new space probe sends 
back data.
> > Astrophysicists and astronomers do not study experimental 
plasma
> >dynamics in graduate school. They rarely take any courses in
> >electrodynamic field theory, and thus they try to explain every 
new
> >discovery via gravity, magnetism, and fluid dynamics which is all 
they
> >understand. It is no wonder they cannot understand that 99% of 
all
> >cosmic phenomena are due to plasma dynamics and not to gravity 
alone. 
> > When confronted by observations that cast doubt on the 
validity of
> >their theories, astrophysicistss have conjured up pseudo-
scientific
> >invisible entities such as neutron stars, weakly interacting 
massive
> >particles, strange energy, and black holes. When confronted by 
solid
> >evidence such as Halton Arp's photographs that contradict the Big 
Bang
> >Theory, their response is to refuse him access to any major 
telescope in
> >the U.S. 
> > Instead of wasting time in a futile battle trying to convince
> >entrenched mainstream astronomers to seriously investigate the
> >Electric/Plasma Universe ideas, a growing band of plasma 
scientists and
> >engineers are simply bypassing them. A new electric plasma-based
> >paradigm that does not find new discoveries to be “enigmatic and
> >puzzling”, but rather to be predictable and consistent with an 
electrical
> >point of view, is slowly but surely replacing the old paradigm 
wherein
> >all electrical mechanisms are ignored. 
> > An electrical "plasma" is a cloud of ions and electrons that, 
under the
> >excitation of applied electrical and magnetic fields, can 
sometimes light
> >up and behave in some unusual ways. The most familiar examples of
> >electrical plasmas are the neon sign, lightning, and the electric 
arc
> >welding machine. The ionosphere of Earth is an example of a 
plasma that
> >does not emit visible light. Plasma permeates the space that 
contains
> >our solar system. The cloud of particles that constitutes the 
solar
> >"wind" is a plasma. Our entire "Milky Way" galaxy consists 
mainly of
> >plasma. In fact 99% of the entire universe is plasma! 
> >History
> > During the late 1800's in Norway, physicist Kristian 
Birkeland explained
> >that the reason we could see the auroras was that they were 
plasmas. 
> >Birkeland also discovered the twisted corkscrew shaped paths 
taken by
> >electric currents when they exist in plasmas. Sometimes those 
twisted
> >shapes are visible and sometimes not - it depends on the strength 
of the
> >current density being carried by the plasma. Today these streams 
of ions
> >and electrons are called "Birkeland Currents". The 
mysterious "sprites",
> >"elves", and "blue jets" associated with electrical storms on 
Earth are
> >examples of Birkeland currents in the plasma of our upper 
atmosphere.
> >In the early 20th century, Nobel laureat Irving Langmuir studied 
electric
> >plasmas in his laboratory at General Electric; he further 
developed the
> >body of knowledge Birkeland had initiated. In fact it was he who 
first
> >used the name "plasma" to describe the almost lifelike, self-
organizing
> >behavior of these ionized gas clouds in the presence of electrical
> >currents and magnetic fields. 
> >Basic Properties
> >Modes of Operation
> > T Currents in Cosmic Sized Plasmas
> >Because plasmas are good (but not perfect) conductors, they are
> >equivalent to wires in their ability to carry electrical 
current. It is
> >well known that if any conductor cuts through a magnetic field, a 
current
> >will be caused to flow in that conductor. This is how electric
> >generators and alternators work. Therefore, if there is any 
relative
> >motion between a cosmic plasma, say in the arm of a galaxy, and a
> >magnetic field in that same location, Birkeland currents will 
flow in the
> >plasma. These currents will, in turn, produce their own magnetic 
fields.
> >
> >Plasma phenomena are scalable. That is to say, their electrical 
and
> >physical properties remain the same, independent of the size of 
the
> >plasma. Of course dynamic phenomena take much less time to occur 
in a
> >small laboratory plasma than they do in a plasma the size, say, 
of a
> >galaxy. But the phenomena are identical in that they obey the 
same laws
> >of physics. So we can make accurate models of cosmic sized 
plasmas in
> >the lab - and generate effects exactly like those seen in space.  
In
> >fact, electric currents, flowing in plasmas, have been shown to 
produce
> >most of the observed astronomical phenomena that are inexplicable 
if we
> >assume that the only forces at work in the cosmos are magnetism 
and
> >gravity. 
> >
> > ====================
> >
> >If this is true the current cosmological speculations --- not 
just the
> >big bang, but many others related theories go into the trash 
can. What
> >does the group think???
> >jw
> >
> >