Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00245)

Ali,

Thanks again for your further comments in:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/15199

But I am puzzled by your statement that:

"I don't think she negates a physicalized Christ, 
but she does negate the exoteric Xtian dogma of 
many milleniums."

I guess it all depends upon what you mean by
"a physicalized Christ."

But it seems pretty clear to me that HPB taught
something different. To requote her:

". . . 'the coming of Christ,' means the presence
of CHRISTOS in a regenerated world, and not at
all the actual coming in body of 'Christ' Jesus; . . .
for Christ--the true esoteric SAVIOUR--
is no man, but the DIVINE PRINCIPLE in
every human being."

This appears in stark contrast to what Bailey
writes:

"...Christ can MOVE FREELY among men, in
BODILY Presence...."

"...He need not then remain in His present
retreat in CENTRAL ASIA. . . "

Therefore if Christ "is no man, but the 
DIVINE PRINCIPLE in every human being," then the
following by Bailey is utter nonsense:

"The radio, the press, and the dissemination of 
news, will make His coming different to that of 
any previous Messenger; the swift modes of 
transportation will make Him available to countless 
millions, and by boat, rail and plane they can 
reach Him: through television, His face can be 
made familiar to all, and verily 'every eye shall 
see Him."

Why pray tell would any person need a TELEVISION (?)
to "see" him? Or a boat, train or plane? !!!

I contend this is quite the opposite of what HPB
teaches:

"It [genuine Theosophy] hushes the 'Lo here! and
lo there!' [in Central Asia!!!] and declares the 
Christ, like the kingdom of heaven, to be within."

Look within! The "true esoteric SAVIOUR" can be
found there!

In the following text notice again how Alice Bailey 
makes the Christ into a physical man. Notice that 
Bailey definitely writes:

"This tremendous event takes place each year in the
Himalayas. It is held in a valley and is not a mythical, 
subconscious happening but a real, PHYSICAL plane 
occurrence."

And then she goes on to write: 

"Standing ahead of the crowd and in front of the rock were 
three Figures. They formed a triangle and, to my surprise, 
the one at the apex of the triangle seemed to me to
be the Christ." 

The more complete text is as follows:

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I twice (whilst living and working in Great Britain) took part in an
extraordinary ceremony and it was nearly two [39] decades after my
participation that I discovered what it was all about. The ceremony
in which I took part, I eventually found out, actually takes place
every year at the time of the "Full Moon of May." It is the full moon
of the Hindu calendar month of Vaisakha (Taurus) under its ancient
name. This month is of vital importance to all Buddhists and the
first day of this month is the national holiday known as the Hindu
New Year's Day. This tremendous event takes place each year in the
Himalayas. It is held in a valley and is not a mythical, subconscious
happening but a real, physical plane occurrence. I found myself
(whilst wide awake) in this valley and forming part of a vast,
orderly crowd - mostly oriental but with a large sprinkling of
occidental people. I knew exactly where I stood in that crowd and
realized that it was my correct place and indicated my spiritual
status.
http://beaskund.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/autobiography/auto1015.html


The valley was large and oval shaped, rocky and with high mountains
on either side. The people, crowded in the valley, faced towards the
East and towards a narrow, bottlenecked passage at the end. Just
before this funnel shaped passage there stood an immense rock, rising
out of the floor of the valley like a great table, and on the top of
the rock was a crystal bowl which looked as if it was three feet
across. This bowl was full of water. Standing ahead of the crowd and
in front of the rock were three Figures. They formed a triangle and,
to my surprise, the one at the apex of the triangle seemed to me to
be the Christ. The waiting crowd appeared to be in constant movement,
and as they moved they formed great and familiar symbols - the Cross
in its various forms, the circle with the point in the center, the
five-pointed star and various interlaced triangles. It was almost
like a solemn, rhythmic dance, very slow and dignified but quite
soundless. Suddenly, the three Figures before the rock stretched out
Their arms towards the heavens. The [40] crowd froze into immobility.
At the far end of the bottleneck a Figure was seen in the sky,
hovering over the passage and slowly approaching the rock. I knew in
some subjective and certain fashion that it was the Buddha. I had a
sense of recognition. I knew at the same time that in no way was our
Christ belittled. I got a glimpse of the unity and of the Plan to
which the Christ, the Buddha and all the Masters are eternally
dedicated. I realized for the first time, though in a dim and
uncertain manner, the unity of all manifestation and that all
existence - the material world, the spiritual realm, the aspiring
disciple, the evolving animal and the beauty of the vegetable and
mineral kingdoms - constituted one divine and living whole which was
moving on to the demonstration of the glory of the Lord. I grasped -
faintly - that human beings needed the Christ and the Buddha and all
the Members of the planetary Hierarchy, and that there were
happenings and events of far greater moment to the progress of the
race than those recorded in history. I was left bewildered, because
to me (at that time) the heathen were still heathen and I was a
Christian. Deep and fundamental doubts were left in my mind. My life
was henceforth colored (and is today) by the knowledge that there
were Masters and subjective events upon the inner spiritual planes
and in the world of meaning which were a part of life itself, perhaps
the most important part. How could I fit these things into my limited
theology and my daily life. I did not know.
It is said that one's deepest and most intimate spiritual experiences
should never be discussed or related. This is fundamentally true and
no true "experiencer" is the least interested in such discussions.
The deeper and more vital the experience, the less temptation is
there to tell it. Only beginners with a theoretical, imaginative
event in their [41] consciousness claim such experiences. But with
deliberation I have related the two above subjective events (or was
the first subjective?) because it is time that people of standing and
who are recognized as sane and intelligent should add their testimony
to that of the frequently discredited mystic and occultist. I have a
good standing as an intelligent, normal woman, an effective executive
and creative writer and I choose to add my certain knowledge and
conviction to the witness of many others down the ages.
http://beaskund.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/autobiography/auto1016.html

Remember also what Master KH wrotes:

". . . let these unfortunate, deluded Christians know that the real 
Christ of every Christian is the Vach, the "mystical Voice," while 
the man Jeshu was but a mortal like any of us, an adept more by his 
inherent purity and ignorance of real Evil, than by what he had 
learned with his initiated Rabbis and the already (at that period) 
fast degenerating Egyptian Hierophants and priests. . . . "

The real Christ....is the Vach, the "mystical Voice"....
is no man, but the DIVINE PRINCIPLE in every human being." 

You don't need a television, car, boat or plane to
contact the real Christ.

More than enough said.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc