Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00316)

Dearest Ali

I agree with your point of view now that the subject on exotheric "Tulkuship" went farer.
I liked your explanation on it, although we cannot generalize it.
But, what saddens me to the bone to see the " industry of the pseudo-sacred" not only comming from India but from every sacred belief and true religion of the world,
Unfortunately man transforms everything he can in a money-making machine, and we are put to the condition to disbelieve many - if not most - of ancient sacred icons, if I can say, all caused by minor groups who distort the true meaning of the things.
Sad too much.
If you see the good essence of all things, life looks not that ugly.

Krishtar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ali Hassan 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: Theos-World tulkus a rubish?


>From: "krishtar" <krishtar_a@brturbo.com>
>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Theos-World tulkus a rubish?
>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:48:13 -0300
>
>Ali
>
>In what spiritual basis can you call the Tulkuīs process a rubish?
>Under a westener intellectual point of view?
>I think the westerners who are interested in Dharma can learn better from 
>the Tulkus than anywhere else.
>If there are some inconsistences in some aspects, I donīt know if it is 
>real inconsistence or a limitation of our western -understanding but 
>considering a rubish is really heavy.
>
>Krishtar

Hi Krishtar-

If you read through my post, I don't think my pov is that of an anti-dharma 
western intellectual. I also don't think that a 'western intellectual' is 
the only "anti-tulku" stance one can take. You notice I'm going on in this 
thread about HPB taking a relatively early return that is possibly 
verifiable?
My point is that everything about the exoteric Tibetan tulku system looks 
like superstition to me.

And while we're on the subject of dharma and Tibetans, I'd point out that 
many of the Tibetan exports to the U.S. who have professed to be carriersof 
the Dharma have been rapacious monsters who've done great harm....and were 
carriers of something entirely different. They introduce quaint and charming 
"Tibetan buddhist" rituals and give holy-sounding Tibetan names to 
prospective disciples during the day, then rape and sodomize those same 
disciples at night.

As for the tulku system, as I mention, the identifying of objects by infants 
who are curious to pick them up and play with them....just doesn't convince 
me that those are instant rebirths of an incarnation of Amitabha or 
Avolokiteshvara...or whichever deity. Don't get me wrong, I think the Dalai 
Lama is a fine fellow. Considering he has been trained from Day 1 for his 
job, and has not just gotten to sit on a throne, he's been quite tested. I 
have no issues with him, but his co-tulku seems a bit dicey and some of the 
folks he's endorsed have also been bad folks.

regards-

Ali

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