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Re: Theos-World Re: Morten, please ask Jerry Hejka-Ekins

Mar 23, 2004 08:19 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen


Yes. And then what ?
I don't understand that this should solve the issue and its importance to
the cause.
"THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN THE TRUTH".


I think jerry and others should explain this strange issue somewhat further.

As far as I know is it not so, that
the leadership at Adyar has for years now (at least the last decade comes to
my mind) acted in a manner
towards the Bailey scheme, which is very regrtteable.

If Blavatsky was around, she would not have acted so silently
towards the Bailey scheme as Adyar has down for years.

Well, just call it a view from a friend of Truth.

Blavatsky might --- also --- be helpful:
"ON PSEUDO-THEOSOPHY"
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/OnPseudoTheosophy.htm




from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:02 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Morten, please ask Jerry Hejka-Ekins


> Morten,
>
> I reproduce below a fuller excerpt that Jerry wrote on this in 1994.
>
> You can see his full posting at:
>
> http://theos-l.com/archives/199401/tl00058.html
>
> Now the fuller excerpt:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> From my earlier perusal of AAB's writings, I found that many
> of her teachings were drawn directly from Besant and Leadbeater's
> E.S. writings, which to this day, are not publicly available.
> For the E.S. to publicly acknowledge that AAB was publishing
> secret E.S. material, would give away to the public the nature of
> the very material the E.S. is trying to keep secret. Therefore,
> Bailey had to be condemned on other grounds. To condemn her as a
> channeler solved the dilemma. I cannot prove this--it is only a
> hypothesis, but it seems to fit the facts much better than the
> "offical story." To this day, an E.S. member who studies and
> practices AAB meditation methods is subject to immediate
> expulsion from the E.S. For obvious reasons, I probably should
> not elaborate much more on this.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > Hallo all of you,
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > Just to keep this thread on the right track, I will mention
> > my views on certain areas of importance to this talk we have.
> >
> >
> > 1. Just to put Krishanmurti where he sort of belongs.
> > If one compares Krishnamurti with --- for instance --- Sai Baba in
> India.
> > I only withness a gnat compared to an elephant. (smile...)
> > Baba having done far more than Kishnamurti did in his entire life.
> > This is just an example.
> >
> >
> > 2. So we have according to some of you, that Bailey copies CWL'sd
> and
> > Besant's early ES papers - from the years 1910-18.
> > And she publishes the book "Initiation - human and Solar", which are
> > supposed to be based - heavily - on these earliere ES papers.
> > CWL makes publishes in 1925 the book "The Masters and the path"
> > which has many similartites with the above Bailey book.
> > This last sentence we agree entirely upon.
> >
> > The question and thought i have now is:
> >
> > a)
> > - Was bailey wrong in doing so ?
> > Let us remember what views Bailey had about the ES and TS in her
> > autobiography.
> > I hold Bailey's reason for breaking with Adyar in high regard if
> what she
> > tells us is true.
> > I quote her autobiography to show her views:
> >
> > " I remember at one of the first E.S. meetings I attended Miss
> Poutz, who
> > was the secretary of the E.S. at that time.,
> > made the astounding statement that no one in the world could be a
> disciple
> > of the Masters of the Wisdom unless they
> > had been so notified by Mrs. Besant. That remark broke a glamor in
> me,
> > although I did not speak of it at that time
> > except to Foster Bailey. I knew I was a disciple of the Master K.H.
> and had
> > been as long as I could remember.
> > Mrs. Besant had evidently overlooked me. I could not understand why
> the
> > Masters, Who were supposed to have a
> > universal consciousness, would only look for Their disciples in the
> ranks of
> > the T.S. I knew it could not be so. I knew
> > They could not be so limited in consciousness and later I met many
> people
> > who were disciples of the Masters and who
> > had never been in touch with the T.S. and had never even heard of
> it. Just
> > as I thought I had found a center of spiritual
> > light and understanding, I discovered I had wandered into another
> sect.
> > We discovered then that the E.S. completely dominated the T.S.
> Members were
> > good members if, and only if, they [159]
> > accepted the authority of the E.S. If they agreed with all the
> > pronouncements of the Outer Head and if they gave their loyalty
> > to the people that the heads of the E.S. in every country endorsed.
> Some of
> > their pronouncements seemed ridiculous. Many
> > of the people endorsed were mediocre to the nth degree. A number
> who were
> > looked up to as initiates were not particularly
> > intelligent or loving, and love and intelligence, in full measure,
> are the
> > hallmark of the initiate. Amongst the advanced membership
> > there was competition and claim making and, therefore, constant
> fighting
> > between personalities - fighting that was not confined
> > just to oral battles but which found its expression in magazine
> articles. I
> > shall never forget my horror one day when a man in
> > Los Angeles said to me, "If you want to know what brotherhood is
> not, go and
> > live at Krotona." He did not know I lived there."
> > http://beaskund.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/autobiography/auto1055.html
> >
> > ******
> >
> > - I further think that the content of the Bailey book is quite
> harmless.
> > It is just Raja Yoga with a tinge of Christianity is it not.
> > If you think it not to be so or to be harmless, - then please more
> precisely
> > answer why not ?
> >
> > - Did the mentioned early ES papers really come from - inspiration
> by -
> > the Master D.K. and no one knew about it ?
> >
> >
> >
> > b) Jerry's quote given to us by Daniel in this thread was :
> > "From my earlier perusal of AAB's writings, I found
> > that many of her teachings were DRAWN DIRECTLY from
> > Besant and Leadbeater's E.S. writings...."
> >
> > The word "many" is as far as i view it not covered with just one
> book -
> > out of a total of about 24 books - being taken out as a Copy-Cat.
> > So are there other books we should be concerned with ?
> > And if so, which ones ?
> >
> > Daniel Caldwell ?
> > Jerry Hejka-Ekins ?
> >
> >
> >
> > c) Would any of you show the readers at his place - Theos-Talk
> > any of these early ES papers you - Daniel or Jerry refers to
> > as having been copied by Bailey into her book "Initiation - Human
> and Solar"
> > ?
> >
> > Perhaps someone could scan them into a pc and post them on a website
> > or mail them to me in private ?
> > I find this issue to be very important while we deasl with the
> Bailey issue,
> > and the upcoming events on this planet.
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as I am concerned it is not so that --- "Many" --- of
> Bailey's books
> > were "DRAWN DIRECTLY"
> > from E.S. papers written by Leadbeater or Besant between the years
> 1910-18.
> > If I am wrong - then proove me wrong !
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at
> > their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and
> > hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision."
> > H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 2
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 4:09 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Morten, please ask Jerry Hejka-Ekins
> >
> >
> > > Morten on "Many of Bailey's Teachings DRAWN DIRECTLY from Besant &
> > > Leadbeater"
> > >
> > > Morten,
> > >
> > > My quotes show that it was Jerry Hejka-Ekins who wrote:
> > >
> > > "From my earlier perusal of AAB's writings, I found
> > > that many of her teachings were DRAWN DIRECTLY from
> > > Besant and Leadbeater's E.S. writings...." caps added
> > >
> > > Jerry has posted some contributions of late on Theos-Talk.
> > > Hopefully Jerry will see your question and elucidate
> > > the point he made.
> > >
> > > But I would say that you could start with comparing
> > > Bailey's "Initiation Human and Solar" with Leadbeater's
> > > "The Masters and the Path."
> > >
> > > OBTW, you seem somewhat surprised by Jerry's statement.
> > > Why?
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > >





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