Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00532)

In a message dated 03/23/04 2:27:57 PM, netemara888@yahoo.com writes:

>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
>> Morten Nymann Olesen wrote:
>> > * Creation is an incorrect word to use, as no religion, not even 
>> > the sect of the Visishta Adwaitees in India -- one which
>> > anthropomorphises even Parabrahmam -- believes in creation out of
>> > nihil as Christians and Jews do, but in evolution out of 
>> > preexisting materials.
>> 
>> Which means that Blavatsky clearly didn't do her research. 
>> The Jews do not believe in "creation out of nihil"; read the first chapter 
of 
>> Genesis; Creation is clearly described as taking undifferentiated 
>> substance and turning it into differentiated substance.
>> 
>> Bart
>
>Hey Bart, I'm back from dancing in the sands off the ocean.
>
>Creation was THE WORD. There is no substance in the Word. The Word 
>was made flesh, etc.. This is also the tie that theoretical and 
>experimental physicists are so excited about. They are making this 
>connection to the "Big Bang." This is what has them shocked that 
>dark matter is greater in the universe, more powerful and more 
>important than "light." Light is a created matter. But out of what? 
>
>The WORD is the source of all creation. I think that is what I or 
>HPB if you will, meant by "out of nihil."
>
>Netemara

Nihil means nil or nothing. And the WORD cannot be anything but the 
unconditioned energetic (although, insubstantial) precursor of conditioned matter or 
substance -- and, therefore, some "thing in itself." As Krishna said in the 
Gita, "I create this entire universe out of one small part of myself, yet remain 
separate (or undiminished)."

The biblical "WORD" (especially as understood in its original Hebrew) is an 
allegorical expression referring to the vibrational patterns of primal 
substance... In theosophical terms, "The eternal abstract motion of space," and in 
scientific terms, the eternal "spinergy" of the zero-point. So, Bart is correct.

However, I think that HPB, by properly using "nihil" in her statement, was 
referring to the generally accepted interpretation of the Bible by the common 
laity of both the Christians and Jews (but not the Kabbalists) -- who believe 
that their personal or anthropomorphised God is separate from His creation, and 
made the light by some sort of miraculous process. Thus, they fancy that God 
"created" the universe out of nihil or nothing. 

In reality, the manifest Universe of Light is created (emanated) out of the 
"darkness" of space (or the unimaginable spinning of the emptiness) which is 
that force of angular momentum, or "spinergy" itself. This, therefore, is the 
fundamental root or potential "beness" of all substance (or as some quantum 
physicists say, "beable") -- whether conditioned or not (as either infinite 
abstract, unexpressed primal Force, or expressed Mass-energy). 

Therefore, the physical universe emanates out of an ever ineffable 
"something" (which materialist science, unknowingly, can only call "dark Matter"). And, 
since its forms of genetic precursors and their products are determined by 
varying vibrational complexity's of forces or energies arranged in organized 
instructional encoding of words and sentences (analogous to the DNA genetic code 
of the microcosm) -- "In the beginning was the WORD" or EIN SOPH expressed in 
the ten SEPHIROTH. (That's a no brainer. :-)

Leon