Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00746)

Yes Krishtar, and I see the same.
People expect an salvator for its own actions.
What is it that he or she still not can see, have the insight, that 
he or she needs to be his own salvator.Therefore he needs to perfect 
his consciousness.
Christina



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Perhaps, save from ourselves.
> I mean, from our lower ego, which insistently leads us, for 
example, to think of a redemption, a salvation, external to us.
> 
> Krishtar
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: arielaretziel 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti on himself
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> Whether Krishnamurti was overshadowed or not has little bearing 
in my mind, as 
> it is his teachings and, when he was alive, his very presence 
that have and 
> will always matter. Was he leaving Theosophy or was he leaving 
concepts such as 
> the erronius and dangerous concept of a world teacher who will 
save humanity? 
> 
> He wanted to help people be entirely free, but we must ask 
ourselves, "Free 
> from what?"
> 
> A^A^
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, samblo@c... wrote:
> > Pedro,
> > In all honesty, no, I am not familiar with the 
Krishnamurti quote you
> > give to me and others. I candidly state that I have not read 
the works
> > and publications of Krishnamurti. I have scant exposure to 
them. Even
> > though I lived in LA for twenty years. I was aware that he 
lived at Ojai
> > the Theosophical Retreat and even have several friends that 
had been to
> > see him and have read his works which they valued highly. My 
post was
> > limited to the Madison Square Garden. I do not think of 
Krishnamurti as
> > responsible for the actions of Besant and leadbeater and I 
am grateful
> > to him for his action then. I appreciate the spiritual 
altitude he has in
> > his discourses that I have had exposure to and it is to his 
credit that he
> > proceeded and became the unique figure in Theosophy that he 
did in 
> > the decades following the Madison Square Garden disaster. In 
one post
> > it was said he left Theosophy but this contrasts his living 
at Ojai and the
> > large following that he developed that thronged to him 
there. It is a very
> > unusual context. The fact that Leadbeater and Besant groomed 
him from
> > childhood for the role they planned has no mark on him in my 
view, it
> > and remains their creation in the timeline.
> > 
> > As to what he says in the quote, having not read his works 
I am without
> > a defined understanding to just what he is stating in the 
reference and
> > so I make no jump in speculation about it. you are welcome 
to expand
> > on it if you desire. But from what he says it reminds me of 
Madame
> > Blavatsky and many of the statements she made and I do find 
agreement 
> > with most of all he said with the sole exception of the 
ability to will the
> > ordered controlled exit from the physical in the limit of 
the very
> > advanced Adepts. Perhaps what is a monitor to the expression 
of Will 
> > concerns the Karmic residuals, my speculation here.
> > 
> > John 
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