Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00245)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 03/25/04 2:25:34 PM, netemara888@y... writes:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> >Thanks Leon for expounding on my statements about cosmology.
> >
> >The dark matter will clearly come up the winner in the contest 
> >for "creation" but if you think about it "Word" is about as close 
to 
> >nothing as you might get. But then humans, evolved ones, also 
create 
> >out of thoughtforms or "Word/s" and they are just exercising the 
god 
> >within, their god-given right if you like. 
> >
> >Netemara
> 
> Please don't thank me -- since my exposition, in effect, was to 
deny your 
> previous ideas and statements about cosmology, "the word as 
nihil," etc... And 
> your remarks, now, that there are any "winners" in a 
supposed "contest for 
> creation," personalized "god given rights", etc... That are about 
as vacuous and 
> opinionated, if not bigoted and prejudiced as is your anti-Semitic 
response to 
> Bart's question below. Why must you constantly come up with such 
diatribes 
> against the Jews in broad and unfounded generalities to support 
your ideas about 
> theosophy or its metaphysics and cosmologies? 
> 
> In a message dated 03/25/04 2:49:15 PM, netemara888@y... writes:
> 
> >> > Creation was THE WORD. There is no substance in the Word. 
> >> 
> >> Show me where in Jewish literature it says that, please, 
> >>because I cannot find it.
> >> 
> >> Bart
> >
> >Well maybe yes or no in Jewish literature as you call it, but 
what 
> >about the Old Testament? DOes that count? What about the Kaballah 
the 
> >Jewish one, and I know it does not say it in the Torah because 
that 
> >is about how much they hated Jesus and other people too.
> >
> >Netemara
> 
> Apparently, your hatred of those who won't accept Jesus as their 
savior 
> (which is their right) along with the few nasty priests who wished 
him dead when he 
> threatened their greed -- which has little to do with the rest of 
the Jews 
> who went on following their religion as usual -- is coloring your 
reason. How 
> can you be "anti" any group of people in their entirety (which 
comes off to 
> others of your ilk as a blanket hatred of them that feeds their 
own bigotry) -- 
> merely because they don't want to idolize or worship any 
individual as a God? 
> This entirely belies your previously arrogant claims to understand 
HPB and her 
> teachings, or be an extension of her mission. I'm sure there are 
large 
> numbers of Jews who do not hate Jesus at all, and many who 
recognize his Sermon on 
> the Mount but could very well hate those bigoted Christians (if 
that's what 
> you mean by "other people") who blanket persecute them for 
something they never 
> did or condoned. 
> 
> In any event, as you demonstrated with your words -- they can be 
very 
> powerful either to help or to harm... And, very far from 
being "close to nothing at 
> all." I don't think HPB would ever have said anything like that.
> 
> Leonardo

Leon the psyche that I have been so blessed to explore is extremely 
complex. You have to understand that in more than one lifetime I 
have had others around me who were also "anti-semitic" and it has 
been taught as well as caught.

Now, I do believe that the Romans were chiefly responsible for 
Jesus' death. I know that many Jews loved Jesus including Paul whom 
was well known to be a Jew as well as the disciples, his parents and 
his siblings. So how could Jesus come away from this experience 
merely hating Jews? I don't think so. There are other forces at work 
here. I believe the hatred is rooted in lifetimes that vastly 
proceeded this one.

I think that the blanket rejection of Jesus personally was more 
rankling to those around him than to him. I have shown the links 
between the life and times and political aspirations of one of the 
most hated women ever: Cleopatra. She wanted Judea for herself. She 
wanted the kings dead and to be crowned the queen of the Jews. Is 
not that interesting? Then she was so hated by the Romans that she 
had to take her own life least Augustus parade her through the 
streets in chains. She might have even faced death through them in 
that life. Would she then have been crowned the Messiah, the 
anointed one? Who knows, it did not happen in that life. Then there 
was Herod who thought of killing her, according to Josephus. But 
decided against it. Anyway, It is extremely interesting.

more later

Netemara