Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00290)

Neo Theosophy and No-theosophy:
Here is an allegory based partially in what I have understood of all of this:
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The kamarupas and astral inhabitants´ world are in a joyous and shaky party.
Their song is " cherrio! viva Maya! Let´s give the people what they desire in their in their innermost...la la la".
Chorus:

" Psychic powers?
Siddhis?
Self illusion?
Let´s make them believe they are receiving masters´ messages!
Let´s tell them that they´re the ones for an important spiritual mission!
Let´s say and prove they´re a VIP reincanation!
Write Books?
Lauch Sites?
Make Blogs?
All it takes to call the ttention...to be seen as true and serious.
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Repeat 2x:
We´re kamarupas...we´re eidolons...we´re elementaires... but we can pretend we are masters...messengers...spirits of someone important.
We can create the fanciest reality...the magnificent scenery for a perfect vision
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That´s how easy is to inflate human´s ego.
Let´s give ´em full support too
Satisfaction guaranty or your reality back

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Krishtar




---- Original Message ----- 
From: christinaleestemaker 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 5:58 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Pedro on "Theosophy and Neo-Theosophy" and related issues



Hallo Daniel,
Here you make a great point clear!!!!!!!!!!
The Charlatan and 
The False "masters".
The moneymakers; bookwriters with a little essence and a total on 
MAYA.
The young-ones needs to warn;
but we know better...

HPB warned; 2000 years ago Jezus warned the people for the Pharisees 
and so on.
Why even now the people cannot distinguish ? Need torches for light!
Oke more and more will see; but still the selfish ones makes profit
at the cost of others.

Christina









--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel H. Caldwell" 
<danielhcaldwell@y...> wrote:
> Pedro, you wrote:
>  
> ---------------------------------------------
> Probably this is the reason why when I became aware of
> the controvesies surrounding "Theosophy and
> Neo-Theosophy" I didn't give them much attention,
> although I am familiar with the main arguments. And
> that is still my point of view. Theosophical
> historians may argue any way they want to try to prove
> that Besant and Leadbeater "betrayed" HPB, that they
> distorted the her teachings. That left me and leaves
> me perfectly cold, for I know, from my earliest
> association with theosophical studies, that the
> essence of their contribution to theosophical
> literature is a message of altruism and selfless
> service. And this is the essence of Theosophy
> according to HPB.
> -----------------------------------------------
>  
> Pedro, you write that according to HPB "the essence
> of Theosophy" is "a message of altruism and selfless service"
> or IS "altruism and selfless service."
>  
> And you believe that Besant's and Leadbeater's contribution
> to Theosophical literature is THAT "message of altruism and
> selfless service."
> 
> Therefore in light of that, you don't pay much attention to
> the controversies and "the main arguments" surrounding 
> "Theosophy and Neo-Theosophy."
> 
> You apparently say that the contention that Besant and Leadbeater 
> "betrayed" HPB by "distorting"her teachings leaves you "cold."
>  
> But though you may be left "perfectly cold" by these arguments and 
contentions,
> it would appear that both Madame Blavatsky and the Master Koot Hoomi
> were VERY MUCH concerned about the distorting and disfiguring of the
> Theosophical teachings.
>  
> In HPB's great work, in the preface, we find the following 
statement:
>  
> "The publication of many of the facts herein stated has been 
rendered 
> NECESSARY by the wild and fanciful speculations in which many 
Theosophists 
> and students of mysticism have indulged, during the last few 
years. . . . 
> THE SECRET DOCTRINE, Vol. 1, Page viii. caps added.
>  
> Notice HPB's adjectives: WILD .....FANCIFUL.
>  
> And Master Koot Hoomi told Colonel Olcott about the forthcoming
> SECRET DOCTRINE:
>  
> "Every mistake or erroneous notion, corrected and explained by her 
[HPB] from 
> the works of other theosophists was corrected by me, or under my 
instruction."  
> Letters from the Masters of the Wisdom, Series I, p. 47 
>  
> Here KH was not inattentive or "perfectly cold" to such distortions 
but took an
> active part in being sure that CORRECTIONS would be made.
>  
> Again notice KH's words: MISTAKE....ERRONEOUS notion....CORRECTED
>  
> And in THE MAHATMA LETTERS, Master KH writes:
>  
> "I dread the appearance in print of our philosophy as expounded by 
> Mr. H[ume]. I read his three essays or chapters on God (?) 
cosmogony 
> and glimpses of the origin of things in general, and had to cross 
out 
> nearly all. . . . if he publishes what I read, I will have H.P.B. 
or 
> Djual Khool deny the whole thing; as I cannot permit our sacred 
philosophy 
> to be so disfigured. He says that people will not accept the whole 
truth. . .
> In such a case the less such idiots hear of our doctrines the 
better 
> for both. If they do not want the whole truth and nothing but the 
truth, 
> they are welcome. But never will they find us -- (at any rate) -- 
compromising 
> with, and pandering to public prejudices." 2nd ed., Letter 54
>  
> Notice KH's words: "I cannot permit our sacred philosophy to be so 
DISFIGURED...."
> caps added
>  
> Pedro, though you may be inclined not to give "much attention" to 
the possible
> disfiguring of Theosophy, here we find the Mahatma quite concerned 
and ready to
> take action if necessary so that the public would not be 
misinformed and mislead.
>  
> Also in the opening pages of HPB's first instruction to her 
esoteric students,
> she gives the following WARNING:
>  
> ". . . A new and rapidly growing danger. . . is threatening . . . 
> the spread of the pure Esoteric Philosophy and knowledge. . . .   
> I allude to those charlatanesque imitations of Occultism and 
> Theosophy. . . . By pandering to the prejudices of people, and 
> especially by adopting the false ideas of a personal God and a 
> personal, carnalized Saviour, as the groundwork of their teaching, 
> the leaders of this 'swindle' (for such it is) are endeavoring to 
> draw men to them and in particular to turn Theosophists from the 
true path."
> 
> ". . . A close examination will assuredly reveal. . . materials 
> largely stolen . . . from Theosophical writings. . . [and] 
distorted 
> and falsified so as to be palmed off on the unwary as revelations 
of 
> new and undreamed of truths. But many will neither have the time 
nor 
> the opportunity for such a thorough investigation; and before they 
> become aware of the imposture they may be led far from the 
Truth. . . . 
> Nothing is more dangerous to Esoteric Truth than the garbled and 
> distorted versions disfigured to suit the prejudices and tastes of 
> men in general." 
>  
> Notice HPB's key words: DANGER ....CHARLATANESQUE 
IMITATIONS....FALSE IDEAS...DISTORTED AND FALSIFIED....
>  
> She warns her students that such imitations, such false ideas, such
> distorted and falsified teachings may TURN THEOSOPHISTS FROM THE 
TRUE
> PATH....THEY MAY BE LED FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
>  
> And HPB's last sentence in her quote bears repetition:
>  
> "Nothing is more dangerous to Esoteric Truth than the garbled and 
> distorted versions disfigured to suit the prejudices and tastes of 
> men in general."
>  
> NOTHING IS MORE DANGEROUS.....garbled and distorted 
versions...disfigured
> versions of Esoteric Truth or Theosophy.
>  
> If anything, HPB was WARNING her students to be ON THE LOOKOUT FOR 
and to 
> pay ATTENTION for such "garbled and distorted versions" of 
Theosophy.
>  
> I could quote numerous other statements from HPB and KH which show 
that
> THEY at least were NOT "cold" to such issues.
>  
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
> http://theosophy.info
>  
>  
>  
> 
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