Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00458)

In a message dated 04/07/04 10:25:59 AM, ekcvv@juno.com writes:

>" Points like where there is a sacred or notable ancient structure."
>Do you or anyone else know what those structures are?

Here's one way of looking at it (for some of them)... 

They could be the attempt to build a structure that, through its arrangement 
of mirror like surfaces, points, angles and edges, can closely approximate the 
first crystal diamond shaped (octahedron) structure (that can be inscribed 
inside or around the initial zero-point sphere of spinning Akashic or primal 
force)... And, can focus that positive energy, spread out in astronomical space, 
with the negative energy concentrated at the junction of two or more lay 
lines, or common lay(a) point (of which there are 12 such primary point's on the 
surface of the Earth corresponding to the face centers of a dodecahedron)... 
Specifically, for the hidden purpose of harnessing the power of immortality for 
the ruler of the people who are forced to build it. And, at the same time, 
through the inscriptions on the inner and outer surfaces of the monument, make 
obeisance to their ancestral gods by recording the history of their culture, as 
both an inner elite line of Divine Kings and their families, and an outer 
group of devoted retainers, priests, warriors, administrators, etc. -- starting 
when those godlike ancestors first appeared in this Race, Subrace or Earth 
cycle. 

One of the most successful (although there are other ways to look at it) 
among such monuments that primarily affects most of the civilized world, is the 
great Pyramid at Giza, in which, probably, both Moses and Jesus (and possibly, 
even Buddha) were initiated. 

I don't know if the Pharaoh who built it got his immortality out of it -- but 
Moses may have attained his immortality through his direct line of 
descendants who, at one time or another, became pariahs, and each suffered their karma 
in one lifetime of persecution, and then went on to their paradise in Devachan. 
Jesus, on the other hand, could have suffered his immortality through his 
eventually misled Christian worshippers who idolized his death scene -- and used 
it as justification to persecute Moses people, and even murder them, along 
with countless other "heretics," through devastating wars and pogroms -- and 
thereby, accelerated their karma in whatever lifetime they did those deeds, so 
they could fulfill the dogma of their priests and end up in Hell (their own self 
professed Aviche)... Described by HPB as, quick reincarnations here on Earth 
in progressively lower levels of consciousness (although still in a human 
body) -- leading to greater and greater degrees of suffering. Although, this 
doesn't condemn all those majority of Christians, who truly follow the 
compassionate teachings of their Jesus, and go to their Christian Heaven. 

So, perhaps, on our physical plane, according to legend, since Moses never 
got to Jerusalem after the exodus, he went back to the desert, forests and to 
the top of the mountains, ending up in his own idea of paradise until he died 
alone at 120. While Jesus, supposedly, lived a very short life and suffered 
much pain on the cross -- perhaps, because, if that story is true -- he never 
really came to Jerusalem to save his people from bondage or slavery as Moses 
did, but to knock down the Temples of the Priests -- and, for that act of 
gratuitous violence, may be still suffering for the continually accumulating sins of 
some of his followers, under the guidelines of their similarly corrupted 
Priests. At least, that's the way it might look to some believers of the Biblical 
stories, 

Actually, there's a much more likely and prosaic story, at least about Jesus, 
as told to me by a former Jesuit scholar (who resigned from the Church of 
Rome and became an Essene after he studied the ancient dead sea scrolls and 
compared them with the hidden apocryphal "gospels" in the Vatican catacombs). His 
story is that Rebbe Jeshuah went to Jerusalem simply to find a shepherd to 
replace the one who died in his small Essene kibbutz (community)... Along the way 
across the Desert, he began teaching what he learned from Buddha and from the 
original Egyptian Kabbala of Moses (which incidentally taught him the 
initiation rites of the Great Pyramid and all magic necessary to be a "healer") to 
whomever he bumped into... So, he picked up and gathered around him some 
disciples whom he fed from caravan emergency food caches that he planted on his last 
trip across the desert to Jerusalem (on a carpentry tool and supplies buying 
trip)... And, just got caught up in the situation with the high Priests of the 
Temple -- that he had to react to as he saw it -- but that, eventually 
escalated completely out of his control. 

However, according to this story, he didn't die on the cross. Barabus did. 
Although Jesse (Jeshuah's anglicized name:-) suffered a good beating when he 
was picked up with Barabus in the town square by a Roman Guard rebel roundup 
sweep, and was later released when he proved to be a harmless preacher (and also 
because he was small fry next to the leader of the revolting terrorists that 
Pontius Pilate had finally gotten his hands on). (Wouldn't that be the only 
crime that could logically justify the horrendously bloody torture rendered on 
the Biblical Jesus as portrayed in Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ?) 

So, they sneaked him out of the city through the back alleys, and he went 
back to Nazareth with his new shepherd... A suburban farmer he met before he came 
into town, named Abraham, whose wife, Sarah, was killed and his daughter, 
Marya, raped by one of Herod's soldiers... So, according to orthodox Jewish law, 
they were stained, and persona non grata in the kibbutz. (They would have been 
stoned out, in fact, if Yeshie [the nickname his momma gave him:] didn't come 
along to take them under his wing.:-) The story goes on that Yeshie 
eventually married Mary and they ended up traveling and eventually settling in Europe 
after he was invited by his uncle Mosher (who was an architect and stained 
glass window designer, alchemist, colorist and Grand Master of the Egyptian 
Masonic Lodge in Rome) to work with him on the carpentry for the window frames in a 
high Roman senator's palace (who later became the 

So, maybe the wisest one of those Messiahs was the Buddha -- who saw the 
futility of violent reformation of ingrained religious forms and practices -- and 
also recognized the danger of forming a new religion that would breed such a 
reformer in the first place. With this wisdom, all he could do was sit 
contentedly under a Bo tree, tell his four noble truths, and eight fold path to 
whomever would ask and hear them, and wait for the disciples to wander in who would 
learn all the truths he had discovered, and transmit his matter-of-fact 
peaceful, benign, and compassionate teaching to the rest of the world. 

It comes to me that from a purely theosophically logical, scientific, and non 
magical or mystical point of view (as HPB taught us to look at things, I 
think:-) -- neither of these men were at all unique, or in any way different from 
any other open minded seekers of truth -- since their mission was given to 
them through no choice of their own, but solely as a result their time, place, 
family of birth, the wisdom of their fathers or grandfathers, and the 
circumstances they found themselves in as they grew up. This fulfills the idea that 
"many are called, but few are chosen" (by circumstances, perhaps, that causes one 
to make a choice). It also fits the old Hermetic adage, that "when the 
materials are in place (this could pertain to everything in the physical world, 
including the weather, or the actions of a King, or even a thief) the magician 
will appear." The actions of the magician then would be solely guided by the 
conditions, materials, and the circumstances he finds himself in, rather than the 
other way around. Any one of us could be, in one lifetime or another, in 
that very same position under similar circumstances. So, where does "free will" 
come into this? Or does that apply only to following up an action after we 
have made a choice. But, then will isn't free anymore if it is bound to a 
preconditioned choice, is it? Much room for discussion here, but I guess we'll 
have to leave that to another thread. :-)

Couldn't we just say, then, that all of them -- theosophically, or at least 
kabalistically trained to become Adepts since they were born -- just walked 
into their mission with no preconception of what would happen or what they would 
do when the circumstances required them to take a stand, make a choice or face 
the music. But, since they could not have been infallible (just as HPB and 
the Masters claim they aren't) -- these "saviors" could still make mistakes 
and, unknowingly, wreak more bad karma on themselves and their followers by the 
mere choice of action to use force to free and reform a small group of people, 
who were already conditioned into following an organized religion with a focus 
on a personalized God or Avatar leader or martyr. 

Fortunately, Buddha could see this problem, and tailored his teaching to be 
totally non contrary to the root teachings of all religions, and endeavored to 
keep its truth on such a high metaphysical level that no one could personalize 
any form of God figure. But, even he couldn't prevent his later followers 
from making idols of him, and worshipping him rather than his teachings, 
although its' very hard to separate the two. And, thus, unlike the teachings of 
Moses, and even Jesus, Buddha's teachings aren't hard and fast rules to be 
punished or rewarded, such as "thou shalt" or "thou shalt not" -- but, simply, a 
guidance for the attainment of individual freedom for those who understand the 
reality of the four truths, and chose to walk the path to enlightenment.

So, who's to say what all those ancient structures really are, or what is 
their true purpose? To one, they are initiation chambers. To another, they are 
Tombs. And to still others they are sundials, calendars, monuments to some 
great historical or cosmic event, or perhaps even markers or pointers to be used 
by man's ancient ancestor's in the Akashic heavens who are expected to return 
someday in physical spaceships to take us all back to paradise (or wipe us out 
because we made a mess of things:-). It's amazing, isn't it, how many wrong 
interpretations can be made about the mysteries of the universe and the purpose 
of the ancient monuments over long periods of time with the help of clever 
priests or shamans who distort the truth from time to time to serve their own 
purposes. There's an old Masonic rule, told me by my father, that one must 
never lie, but one can easily imply a lie by telling just part of the truth.

So, I guess I'll stick with my story about the Great Pyramid and its effects 
on the world through those initiated in it, because its closest to what I 
learned in the Secret Doctrine and Isis Unveiled. 

Hope I haven't rambled too far afield from the original question.

Best Wishes,

Lenny