Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00313)

Daniel, 
It appears from documents you showed that when Dr. Annie Besant was on tour for Theosophical work Judge declared himself as sole head of ES. As Besant was also head of ES and she found Judge did wrong, ES split into two one headed by Besant other by Judge.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Daniel H. Caldwell 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:04 PM
Subject: Theos-World Anand: "...Judge left [E.S. ?] organization after some time...." ?????????


Anand:

You write:

"But Judge left [E.S. ?] organization after some time 
and Besant was Outer Head of Esoteric School 
for many decades later."

I believe your statement above about Judge
leaving the Esoteric School does not
accurately reflect the historical record.

Your statement could (with the same
degree of "accuracy" as you show) be
rephrased:

"Besant left organization after some time."

The actual situation is more clearly
shown in the following two original
source documents.

See Judge's 1894 circular:

http://blavatskyarchives.com/judgebmd1894.htm

and 

also Mrs. Besant't reply to the circular:

http://blavatskyarchives.com/besantes1894.htm

Notice Mrs. Besant's words:

"Mr. Judge thinks it right to rend the School in twain...."

Daniel
http://hpb.cc


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@A...> 
wrote:
> Daniel, you said "In fact, soon after HPB's death, William Judge
> and Annie Besant became joint Outer Heads of the E.S."
> 
> That means AB was Outer head of ES, whether sole head or joint head 
will have to be found. But Judge left organization after some time 
and Besant was Outer Head of Esoteric School for many decades later. 
And H.S. Olcott, the Founder-President of TS supported her and not 
Judge.
> 
> I don't understand why you are keen on finding faults in AB, CWL 
etc. All occultists including HPB openly said they sometimes made 
mistakes. It is wrong to constantly focus on their faults and making 
them look stupid in the eyes of members.
> Anand Gholap
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Daniel H. Caldwell 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:53 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Anand on Mrs. Besant as HPB's successor 
in Outer Headship of the E.S.
> 
> 
> Anand,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> ==============================================
> 
> ...her successor in Outer Headship of the Esoteric Section 
> - is not in quotes. That means it is not reproduction 
> of words in some other document.
> 
> ==============================================
> 
> OK, Anand. I will take the quotes off, but the issue
> still remains. Here's my statement again without quotes:
> 
> 
> ===================================================
> 
> But I am unaware of any document/evidence that shows
> that HPB appointed Mrs. Besant as her successor in
> Outer Headship of the Esoteric Section.
> 
> In fact, soon after HPB's death, William Judge
> and Annie Besant became joint Outer Heads of the E.S.
> 
> =================================================
> 
> So how and when did HPB formally give charge of 
> the Esoteric School to Annie Besant?
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
> 





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