Theos-Talk Archives (August 2004 Message tt00360)

Morton and all,

How could anyone write about the "experience" of "time" and "evolution" -- 
when "experience" of anything or any process is entirely subjective and can only 
be described to oneself in terms of its sensory "feeling" or "qualia" at 
one's point of individual awareness, and interpreted solely through one's 
individual mind on its highest intuitive level? 

Could you talk or write about what its like to "experience" the smell of a 
rose? 

Could you describe what it's like to "experience" the passage of time? 

Or, could you describe what it's like to "experience" your own evolution (or 
anyone else's, for that matter)? 

Experience can only be comprehended within oneself in terms of its actual 
subjective or inner feeling and intuition. 

That's why the unanswered "hard problems" today in science and philosophy 
are: 
What is the nature of the experience or "qualia" of consciousness? 
What is the cause and nature of awareness? 
How do we explain the "binding" of mind and brain? 

The Secret Doctrine teaches all that (by "starting from zero" or "Absolute 
Abstract Motion" -- through logical exposition of the metaphysics of the 
emanation, involution and evolution, through time, of Cosmogenesis and 
Anthropogenesis... 

But, we can only "know" or "experience" any of that through our own intuitive 
understanding or insight. 

To talk about such abstractions to anyone else -- except through mathematical 
symbology or fanciful allegory (so they can, if able, comprehend it 
intuitively) -- is an exercise in futility.

So, HPB wrote much about "time" and "evolution" in terms of their rational 
metaphysics -- but she could never talk about the "experience" of them... For, 
what is experienced in one's heart or higher intuitive mind can never be 
explained or described by means of words stemming from our lower rational mind. 

However, we have no problem with describing "time" as "a measure of change" 
-- or "evolution" as the "progression of the forms of primal substance (or 
"matter") from emptiness to fullness." 

But, what does that have to do with the "experience" of them -- which refers 
directly to our individual spirit or consciousness? 

And, how can one's "experience" of spirit or consciousness be given to 
others? (Other, than through a "Shaktipat" from a, so called, "descended Master." :-)

LHM 


In a message dated 08/19/04 9:16:35 AM, global-theosophy@a... writes:

>Hallo Dallas and all,
>
>My views are:
>
>I think you have misunderstood me.
>I talked about --- the experience of "time" and "evolution".
>So what about the --- expereince of transcended time and evolution ?
>...You know you will have to expereince it...
>If Blavatsky wrote a lot about that then allright. I havn't seen exactly
>that mentioned much thouh.
>Yes. She wrote a lot about "time" and "evolution", but that was not what
>I referred to.
>
>from
>M. Sufilight
----- Original Message ----- 

From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@e...>

To: <ham>; <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:50 PM

Subject: ham,Theos-World RE: [bn-study] Re: TIME & EVOLUTION and freedom




> Now what aspect of either TIME or EVOLUTION shall we look into?

>

>

> Dallas

>

> ==================================

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: M N. O

> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:48 AM

> To:

> Subject: RE: [bn-study] Re: freedom

>

> Dallas wrote:

>

> "I see in the SECRET DOCTRINE precisely an attempt to make the logic of

> universal evolution plain."

>

> Yeah...I find that to be a great sentence,

> although the experience of "time" and "evolution" as such is different on

> the different levels of consciousness.

> Something Blavatsky hardly mentions back then in the good old days.

> This is important.

>

> M. Sufilight

>