Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00286)

Morton, 

In my view "Fundamental Principles" ARE the "Truth and Wisdom" that "Seekers" 
-- to become "REAL theosophists" -- need to verify for themselves, through 
their own "individual self devised and self determined efforts" of study and 
practice. 

Actually, I didn't ask you -- but, since those "Fundamentals" are the 
axiomatic basis of all reality and existence, as well as the entire support upon 
which the metaphysical and spiritual teachings of theosophy rests -- what make you 
feel they have a "bad ring"? Do you deny the value of knowing them and 
following the teachings of theosophy based on them -- so as to prove them for 
oneself and be able to teach them to others? Or, are you saying that you believe 
only one's own personal enlightenment is the goal of theosophy?

All well and good that some very few might be able to gain such Wisdom and 
Knowledge by means of direct spiritual as well as life experiences -- without 
need of books or teachers. But, for the bulk of us that aren't so endowed with 
such higher powers of discernment (or direct access to God:-)... The method of 
study offered by HPB and the Masters, along with practices pointed to in such 
books as the Voice of the Silence and Patanjali's yoga aphorisms, reinforced 
by the teachings of Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita -- is, IMO, the fastest and 
best method for Western thinkers (educated and living in this contemporary 
world that is rooted in materialism, selfishness and greed) that will enable them 
to know how to change the ideas of the wrong headed materialists (after we 
have changed ourselves). 

Do you see that that's the real purpose of the Theosophical Movement, and 
understand why it is so necessary to follow its three objects and comprehend and 
conquer the theosophical teachings at its deepest level -- before one can be 
so empowered to form that "Nucleus of Universal Brotherhood" it demands of all 
TRUE theosophists?

No great spiritual teacher, or any of their disciples, has ever been able to 
accomplish their spiritual work effectively, unless they have first learned 
the mysteries through the words, whether orally or through the books of their 
Master's teachers who instructed them in the Gupta Vidya, and pointed out to 
them the meditative practices necessary to attain Moksha and become Bodhisattvah. 
Vide; Moses, Buddha, Jesus, et al. (including HPB, WQJ and several other 
REAL theosophists, passed or present, that I know:-). 

BTW, it would be interesting if you could tell us how the words "fundamental 
principles" are misunderstood by the "Seekers" today? It would also help to 
understand what you mean by "REAL" theosophists? I thought that "theosophy" 
(as outlined in the Secret Doctrine) is a body of teachings concerning the 
origins, laws, and evolution of the Universe and Mankind that have been in 
existence since the earliest "thinking beings" appeared on this planet... And, that 
anyone who studies them and benefits by the spiritual knowledge and wisdom they 
help attain -- "so as to be better able to help and teach others" -- are the 
only "REAL theosophists." 

What have "organizations" and "groups" to do with all that? 

Leonardo 

In a message dated 09/06/04 4:42:56 AM, global-theosophy@a... the 
best and most direct way to attain writes:

>Hallo Leon and all,
>
>My views are:
>
>Well...I do not actually disagree that much with what you say.
>The problem is however as I see it the words "fundamental principles".
>It has a no good ring to it, that is if you ask me.
>
>Such "fundamental principles" are NOT what all Seekers after Truth and
>Wisdom
>spiritually Needs to learn from a book or by a teacher.
>Sometimes they learn it by spiritual experiences and by other means through
>what they experience in their lives. And then the words and the teaching
>content within "fundamental principles" are perhaps not misunderstood as
>much as it is by many of the Seekers today.
>This also in part explains something about why many REAL theosophists have
>never heard of any of the Theosophical groups or organisations or do not
>know (much) about their teachings.
>Well you can call that a view.
>
>from
>
>M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 

From: <leonmaurer@a...>

To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:43 AM

Subject: Re: Theos-World What is Theosophy...another angle



>

> In a message dated 09/03/04 11:50:11 AM, global-theosophy@a...

writes:

>

> >What is Theosophy actually?

> >

> >A possible answer:

> >

> >The most obvious question of all is for us the most difficult

> >question. But I'll try to answer. Theosophy is experience of life

> >through a method of dealing with life and human relations. This

> >method is based on an understanding of man, which places at one's

> >disposal the means to organize one's relationships and one's learning

> >systems. So instead of saying that Theosophy is a body of thought in

> >which you believe certain things and don't believe other things, we

> >say that the Theosophical experience has to be provoked in a person.

> >Once provoked, it becomes his own property, rather as a person

> >masters an art.

>

> Yes, but theosophy is also a "body of thought" based on ideas and

fundamental

> principles concerning the origin and genesis of both the Cosmos and its

> reflection in the evolution of humanity and the nature of being in

general -- that

> doesn't have to be "believed" without thought, but that can be verified

> through one's looking within and by study and practice empowered by one's

individual

> self devised and self determined efforts... And, thereby, finding and

> following one's true Master and teacher of all the "arts" -- of both

living and

> being. One can spend one's whole life following the directions of many

gurus and

> doing all sorts of good works -- only to find in the end that the real

teacher

> is that Master within.

>

> It's obvious that the "theosophical experience" which leads to an

> understanding of Universal Brotherhood and its expression in one's

relationship to others

> can only come about in that manner. That's the only "learning system"

that

> can have any value in the long run. "Theosophy is as theosophy does" and

> "Physician, heal thyself" perfectly reflects this.

>

> >So what er the various theosophical groups provoking

> >in the our theosophical age of Idolatry?

>

> What difference does it make? "Theosophy" per se has no relationship to

> organized groups or the idolatry they might or might not promote... Since

> theosophy is directed solely to the self within each of us -- for the sole

purpose of

> attaining our individual self realization or enlightenment -- that has no

> dependence on authority, beliefs, rituals, or "faith" in idols or

teachers.

>

> Leonardo

>

> >M. Sufilight

>