Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00538)

Sept. 19 2004

RE: : Creating authority under 'original teachings'


Dear Anand :


You make a few claims to great knowledge. And offer your opinions of the
proper guidance of modern day students.

You seem to claim in effect that the writings of Mrs. A.B , CWL, and a
series of others, make "difficult" THEOSOPHY simpler and more approachable.


Have you any examples of this for us to compare?

I ask this, because I do not seem to find it substantiated in what you
claim. 

Do you think that THEOSOPHY does not touch, in every reader, some aspect of
the Buddhi-Manas ? And awakens in that high inner center a response, and an
urge to learn and study more of Nature's secrets? Since we all reincarnate,
would not such a mental 'jab' awaken aspects of the "memories of our own
studies in past lives?"

If THEOSOPHY is a presentation of Universal Truth, then it is age-old.  

It is presented again and again as a series of lessons all placed on the
same, original and identical foundation and basic principles (just as
modern calculus is always based on the truths inherent in simple
mathematics; or engineering is based on the basic chemical and physical
properties of materials; or "logic" is based on honesty and veracity.) .


Those foundation facts are :  

1. (the Unity of the Universe and of all living in it. 

2. Immutable Laws reign in every part of the Universe and in man's dealings
with each other. Its equity impersonality and universal prevalence is the
foundation for universal morality and virtue -- this can be traced, as an
identity, in all religions, ethics and communities.  

3. All Units in the Universe evolve and learn (each in their own
self-chosen place) together. They are immortals, they do not 'die,' and
therefore Karma is the cause of rebirth and the circumstances of life --
modified by the ever-present freedom of individual choice. 

We live in a vast cooperative. Brotherhood is an expression of this fact.  

Further: "There is no Religion higher than Truth."

Precisely what of the representation of the "original Teachings" in modern
Theosophy (beginning with the publishing of ISIS UNVEILED -- written for the
members of the THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY to study in 1877) are you familiar with?
What do you find difficult to grasp? 

Are you fully familiar with all that HPB has written? All that the Masters
have written?

You say that their language is confusing and difficult. If you read the
Vedas, Upanishads, Tao-The-King, Sutras, Gathas, Torah, and other ancient
texts, and scriptures, are they clearer? 

Do they not offer explanations about the origins of Kosmos, the Universe,
our World, and of mankind? Do they offer a "goal" that all may aspire to?
If so, what is it? 

Here is an ancient and important statements taken from the ancient Vedas:

"Says the Rig Veda:

"Desire first arose in IT, which was the primal germ of mind, and which
Sages, searching with their intellect, have discovered in their heart to be
the bond which connects Entity with non-Entity," or Manas with pure
Atma-Buddhi. " T G, p. 171


2
In regard to the Interlaced Triangles that form the "Theosophical Symbol,"
have you studied the definitions offered in S D II pp. 573 - 629 ? 

Can you explain this?

Who dares to say that the Masters and HPB were unaware of what was needed by
students?  

The SECRET DOCTRINE (1888) was written for all humanity, and covers far more
than the puny membership of any "society."  

By the way:  

What is the purpose of your claims?  

How are you able to rate the maturity, aptness, nature, quality, and effect
of those "original writers?" 

I would be glad to receive your help in understanding this.	

Sincerely,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Anand Gholap 
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 6:37 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Creating authority ... of 'original teaching'

Hello Everybody,

Perry's question was:

"Is CWL more "accurate" than the Mahatma's on their own teachings!?!
Can you please explain to me how this is possible?"

My answer is:

To understand this we need to know how Occult Hierarchy teaches humanity. 

As you know all religions were founded by members of White Brotherhood. 

But Hierarchy teaches only as much as can be safely digested by mankind or
large section of mankind for which certain religion or teaching was meant. 

World Teacher considers moral, intellectual and spiritual development of
large section of humanity and after that He decides how much knowledge of
secrete science to be given to mankind at that stage of development. 

In earlier stages due to low development very little of secrete science was
revealed and 
that was also veiled so that only few qualified people would make use of it.


As humanity evolves continuously morally, intellectually and spiritually,
the knowledge of secrete science given is also more and more. Naturally
teachers from Occult Hierarchy who come later give more knowledge in less
veiled language.
 
Humanity remained in darkness for centuries as most teaching was always
veiled. So when Masters decided to unveil it they prudently made it a
gradual process observing how humanity reacts to it. 

So neither Masters nor HPB had intention to give details of secrete science
in the beginning of TS. So you find Isis and SD though reveal some secretes
they still use very difficult and confusing language.
 
After initial years were over Masters found that now real secretes can be
safely revealed in plain language. So we find that writings occultists who
came later like Mr.Leadbeater and Mrs. Annie Besant is much clearer, full
of details, and comprehensive. 

Other occultists like Jinarajadasa, Hodson, Taimni, Clara Codd, N. Sri Ram
also could 
give secretes in plain language. 

I won't say Mahatmas were less accurate and knowledgeable than CWL. Although
they knew more they did not think appropriate to make things plain
initially. 

As years pass, people digest what is given and don't make dogma of teaching,
remain receptive to new knowledge, Masters will give more secrete knowledge
through other disciples in more clear language, in detail and also on more
topics. 

However if people stick to initial writing, as if 4th standard student is
refusing to go to 5th standard thinking what he learned in 4th standard was
ultimate, then process of receiving more knowledge will get hindered. 

In short neither Masters nor HPB had intention to convey secretes in 
plain language in the initial years of the Theosophical Society.

Best wishes,

Fraternally,
Anand Gholap