Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00712)

Hello Leon and all,

Although there are many overlaps in the area German occult societies and 
the birth of Nationalsocialism, not only as to persons belonging to one 
club and being involved in another society, and even locations (the 
Hotel Vier Jahreszeiten in Munich is a focal point, for instance), 
Hitler was not a member of the Thule Gesellschaft. To quote Rudolf von 
Sebottendorf in his "Bevor Hitler Kam", Dekula Verlag, 1933, Hitler and 
Hess were 'guests of the Thule Society'. Post WW2 researchers however, 
have found no real evidence to suggest that Hitler was involved 
whatsoever in the Thule Gesellschaft (see: Detlev Rose, "Die Thule 
Gesellschaft, legende, Mythos, Wirklichkeit", Grabert Verlag, 1994, or 
Friedrich Heller & Anton Maegerle, "Thule", Schmetterling verlag, 1998).

As to the Thule Gesellschaft being a society of a deeply occult nature, 
that is discounted according to these studies. When there was any 
occultism, it involved merely lectures on mundane esoteric subjects by 
certain members, which evoked remarks by other members that they were 
'sick and tired' of these esoteric rants. As to Himmler and the SS being 
involved in "black magic rituals", there are some very good sudies on 
what the SS was, that balance such a - although suitably romantic 
Indiana Jones style - view. Notably Heinz Hohne, "The Order of the 
Death's Head" Coward McCann, 1970, or Karl Huser, "Wewelsburg, Kult und 
Terrorstatte der SS", verlag Bonifatius, 1987. That is not to say that 
Himmler and Hess had their strange beliefs (read for instance Sonke 
Lorenz, "Himmler's Hexenkartothek", Verlag fur Regionalgeschichte, 2000, 
but a more subtle picture is needed, which is a far cry from Pauwels and 
Bergiers "Matin des Magiciens", Gallimard 1960, or Trevor Ravenscroft's 
"Spear of Destiny", Neville Spearman 1974, which are two of the most 
influential books on the subject of the Nazis and the occult, which 
spawned a dozen followers (I have them all, here).

Nevretheless, I am more than interested Leon, in your personal 
experiences, and what you found and witnessed there. Remember: not all 
that has happened has been neatly catalogued in the historybooks and 
delegated snugly into footnotes. For instance, where does this legend 
originate that there were hundreds of dead Tibetans in Berlin? Everybody 
repeats this story, but where's the original source? And with that I 
mean not a book, but are there intelligence reports? Newspaper clippings 
from that time period?

Regards,

Theo

> Nazi is short for National Socialist German Workers Party -- which Hitler 
> became the leader of and made it the state religion. National Socialism is a 
> form of Fascism. This form of government implies a dictatorship with the State 
> confiscating and controlling (in a sense owning) all sources of manufacturing, 
> production and and distribution of all products and commodities and full 
> control of the social system. well as having the power of life and death over all 
> citizen, who were considered merely pawns of the state.
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> Hitler had no hate for the occult, since he was a member of and the stooge of 
> several occult organizations in Germany (Thule Group, etc.) who practiced a 
> form of ritual black magic similar to the Dugpas spoken of by HPB. In fact, 
> the Nazi's were in cahoots with them, and there were many Tibetan Dugpas 
> brought into Germany who cooperated with them. Hitler personally was deep into 
> occult astrology and used astrologists to advise him. He also sanctioned his SS 
> (SchutzStaffel) originally his personal guard, under the leadership of the 
> known occultist Heinrich Himmler, to practice a ritual black magic in their 
> sanctum seclorum (which I, as a telephone communication expert, uncovered first hand 
> when I was assigned to military Intelligence in WW2, and had full access to 
> SS, Gestapo and other communication headquarters in the many cities and town we 
> overran on our way to Germany) 
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> He hated the Jews and theosophist mainly for the reason that they knew the 
> real source of occultism... The ancient wisdom teachings of the and which 
> underlay Buddhism as well as the Egyptian Kabbala known by and transmitted to the 
> Hebrew Kabbalists by Moses.  All of which were inimivcal to the black magical 
> and murderous practices of the Nazis. 
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