Theos-Talk Archives (October 2004 Message tt00074)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel H. Caldwell" 
<danielhcaldwell@y...> wrote:
> 
> Frank,
> 
> Thanks for all your various replies.
> 
> I will comment on some of them from time
> to time in the next day or so as I find
> time.
> 
> You wrote in one of your postings:
> 
> "We know that the detailed occult status of 
> Judge was a secret at HPB's time and she never
> revealed to the lay chelas his high occult 
> status, which was from one point of view even 
> higher than hers."
> 
> Your phrase "from one point of view" is
> interesting but puzzling.
> 
> You believe that from this point of view,
> Judge's occult status was "even higher than hers."  
> 
> I am not at all certain exactly what you
> mean by this but readers of this might
> want to keep in mind what Madame Blavatsky
> actually wrote to Judge in February 1887:
> 
> "Yes, there are 'two persons' in me. But 
> what of that? So there are two in you; only mine is conscious and 
> responsible – and yours is not. . . . "
> 
> YOURS IS NOT....
> 
> [Quoted from The Theosophical Forum, July 1932, p. 226]
> 
> As noted above, this statement by H.P.B. was written in February 
1887 
> several months after she had written in 1886 the following to 
Judge:
> 
> "The trouble with you is *that YOU DO NOT KNOW the great change* 
that 
> came to pass in you a few years ago. Others have occasionally 
their 
> *astrals* changed and replaced by those of Adepts (as of 
> Elementaries) & they influence the *outer*, & the *higher* man. 
With 
> you, it is the NIRMANAKAYA not the `astral' that blended with your 
> astral. Hence the dual nature & fighting. . . . " 
> 
> caps added to "you do not know."
> 
> This 1886 statement by HPB has been usually misunderstood by
> Blavatsky students.
> 
> One key to understanding this 1886 statement is to be found in 
> another comment by HPB to Judge:
> 
> ". . . unless you consent, you force me to a miserable life and a
> MISERABLE DEATH, with the idea preying upon my mind that there is 
an 
> end of Theosophy. That for several years I will not be able to 
help 
> it on, and steer its course, because I will have to act in a body 
> which will have to be assimilated to the *Nirmanakaya*, because 
even 
> in occultism there are such things as a failure and a retardment 
and 
> a misfit...."
> 
> HPB's references to "Nirmanakaya" may be better understood by what 
> Judge himself says in two letters:
> 
> Sept. 3, 1889: "My dear [James] Pryse, ...Your vision that when 
you 
> looked at HPB and saw no old woman but a *God* is correct. You 
were 
> privileged to see the Truth---For the Being in that old body 
called 
> HP Blavatsky is a mighty Adept working on his own plan in the 
> world...."
> 
> Sept. 9, 1889: "But as to HPB you cannot judge her by any rule. 
There 
> is a great Adept there and he uses that body for His own 
purposes , 
> both for use and for trial of others."
> 
> Again students might want to compare Franks' statement about
> Judge being "even higher than" Blavatsky with what the Masters
> M. and K.H. wrote about H.P. Blavatsky:
> 
> "[H.P.Blavatsky is] . . . a woman of most exceptional and 
wonderful 
> endowments. Combined with them she had strong personal defects, 
but 
> just as she was, there was no second to her living fit for this 
work. 
> We sent her to America...." 
> 
> "This state of hers [H.P.B.'s] is intimately connected with her 
> occult training in Tibet, and due to her being sent out alone into 
> the world to gradually prepare the way for others. After nearly a 
> century of fruitless search, our chiefs had to avail themselves of 
> the only opportunity to send out a European body. . . ."
> 
> ". . . We employ agents - the best available. Of these for the 
past 
> thirty years the chief has been the personality known as H.P.B. to 
> the world (but otherwise to us). Imperfect and very troublesome, 
no 
> doubt, she proves to some, nevertheless, there is no likelihood of 
> our finding a better one for years to come. . . . With occult 
matters 
> she has everything to do. . . . She is our direct agent. . . . "
> 
> Food for thought.

Daniel thanks for posting this. I've read and reread this in the 
past so many times that I know it by heart, those words written by 
HPB to and about Judge. He is truly part of her own "Irish" soul as 
she stated also--and as I tried to ask on Theosophical foruum -- but 
it did not get posted -- that somewhere in her writings I believe  
HPB said that the Irish people would reveal something of greatness 
that was unexpected from them in time. I can't recall exactly but 
would like to know more or reread that quote if she in fact she said 
it. And when I first read it I always thought of Judge because he 
was Irish in that lifetime.

Also you left out something I think goes along with the above 
quotes: Recall she said (paraphrasing) that "Judge has been a part 
of myself for aeons?" This meaning that as a Heavenly Man she has 
certain beings who are a direct component of her/His cosmic identity 
and she is identifying Judge as one of those persons. She kept his 
picture by her night stand also.

Someone once said to me at a Cayce meeting long time ago in New 
Orleans that he thought that he thought that Judge was the luckiest 
of all the Theosophists and that he would love to have been him or 
the reborn Judge. I never forgot his statement and I too have looked 
for Judge for many years since those days--I know I've found him as 
well. 

His unconscious or unknown union (unknown to Judge--which might be 
the mystery referrred to above) with HPB's soul is what makes him a 
great soul. That is the unvarnished truth.

Netemara


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