Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt01097)

Hi Cass,Bart & Sufilight,
I think it was Pope "Innocent" that said something like 'this myth of 
Christ has served us well'



Here's an interesting article by David Pratt.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/jesus.htm

"H.P. Blavatsky stated that the story of Jesus was invented after 
the 1st century. Jesus, she says, 
is a deified personification of the glorified type of the great 
Hierophants of the Temples, and his story, as told in the New 
Testament, is an allegory, assuredly containing profound esoteric 
truths, but still an allegory. . . . Every act of the Jesus of the 
New Testament, every word attributed to him, every event related of 
him during the three years of the mission he is said to have 
accomplished, rests on the programme of the Cycle of Initiation, a 
cycle founded on the Precession of the Equinoxes and the Signs of the 
Zodiac. [3]" 

Perry



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@y...> wrote:
> Dear Perry
> Do you believe that Jesus the man was a fabrication by the founding 
members of Christianity to validate its teachings, in other words, no 
teacher, no new teachings? This is now running parallel with HPB and 
the masters?
> Cass
> 
> Perry Coles <perrycoles@y...> wrote:
> 
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> Hi Cass,
> I personally have my doubts that Jesus the man even existed most of
> the events in his life seem to be the retelling of old mythical 
stories.
> 
> As to him being the vehicle for Maitreya for 3 years personally I
> don't believe it.
> I can accept the idea of Avatars in principle but am weary of
> accepting any pat statements on this the way CWL, Annie Besant and
> Alice Bailey were prone to make on these areas including rays and
> initiations ect.
> 
> Academia is really shattering a lot of the past presumptions
> concerning early Christianity now especially after the finding of 
the
> Dead Sea scrolls but I find all the theories are interesting and who
> knows maybe `Jesus' did exist but in the end really I don't know.
> 
> HPB had many things to say about Jesus and Paul but she may have 
been
> wrong as well.
> 
> Its interesting though how a lot of her comments on early 
Christianity
> seem to be backed up by the modern findings at least as far as I can
> see at this stage.
> Isis Unveiled v.II is very interesting to have a read of this 
subject.
> 
> Cheers
> Perry
> 
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote:
> > Dear Perry
> > My understanding of the Lord Maitreya is that it is pure spirit, 
and
> only incarnates for a few years in a body. The body of Jesus was 
used
> (his spiritual faculties held in abeyance) by Maitreya for 3 years,
> from Jesus' age of 30 to 33. These years were used by Maitreya to
> bring a new understanding of religion to mankind. I believe CWL and 
AB
> believed that Krishnamurti would be the body that Maitreya would 
use,
> hence the need for purity at all levels. So I do not see how the 
Lord
> Maitreya would have been available to edit something as trivial as
> this. Maitreya has taken the 7th initiation and is line with a Manu
> of a new race. My teachings say 
> > Silent Watcher 10th initiation
> > Lord of the World 9th initiation
> > Pratyeka Buddah 8th initiation
> > Manu 7th initiation
> > Chohan 6th initiation
> > 
> > I personally have problems with the Masters editing anything at a
> physical level. Why do this when they can source the information
> directly from the mind? My gut instinct tells me that some
> theosophists chose to namedrop the Masters to validate the new 
teachings.
> > 
> > I also have problems with the Masters, sending letters to students
> to advise them that they have been accepted as a disciple or a 
Chela's
> of a certain Master. My belief is that when the student is ready the
> Master is there, and that instruction can be given when we are out 
of
> our bodies, e.g. in sleep. The necessity to be in their presence is
> only required when the pupil has acquired a certain level on the 
path.
> > 
> > Some theosophists have made of the Masters, super-human men. The
> Masters have spiritual work to do in the world and I cannot see why
> they would spend their time writing to their disciples. HPB was
> insistent that her teachings came from a higher source than herself,
> and in order to validate this, reference to them was necessary, but
> that the masters would spend the last 100 years appearing and
> channelling their teachings through others, to me, is absurd.
> > 
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> > Perry Coles 
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> > "Therefore I took the typewritten copy which I had made to the 
Master
> > Kuthumi and asked Him to be so kind as to read it over. He read 
it,
> > altered a word or two here and there, added some connecting and
> > explanatory notes and a few other sentences which I remembered 
having
> > heard Him speak to Mr. Krishnamurti. Then He said: "Yes, that 
seems
> > correct; that will do" ; but He added : "let us show it to the 
Lord
> > Maitreya." And so we went together,"
> > 
> > Masters & the Path p.175
> > 
> > Notice how the Master read over & "CORRECTED" this manuscript and 
then
> > showed it to the "Lord Maitreya" as well.
> > 
> > Why would the Mahatma's not have pointed out to Leadbeater(whom he
> > claims to be in such close personal contact with) that the 
teachings
> > he was puting in his textbooks and manuals as being the teachings 
of
> > the Adept Brotherhood actually didn't match with their own?
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