Theos-Talk Archives (March 2005 Message tt00159)

Dear Dallas
I'm very glad you like it
I was starting to think I lost my time on posting it..
but well... =)
I don't know which pamphlets you are talking about
If you "discover" them, please inform me!
I am much interest in A.L.C writings
all her books can be bought easily
but I can't remember of any pamphlet.
And thank you for your quotes on Judge, they are very interesting 
indeed and show us a lot!


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "W.Dallas TenBroeck" 
<dalval14@e...> wrote:
> Mar 9 2005
> 
> Dear Alaya
> 
> I think you are correct in this surmise.
> 
> -------------
> 
> Thank you for reprinting 
> 
> Alice Cleaver's THE GREAT BETRAYAL.
> 
> As I recall there were some further pamphlets that she also 
issued. I don't
> have the titles.
> 
> Do you have them and can make them available ? Or is there a link 
to which
> I could go and gain access?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Dallas
> 
> ------------------
> 
> PS Here are some further notes giving some of H P B's opinions of 
Mr.
> Judge
> 
> 
> 
> H. P. B. ON W. Q. J.
> 
> ==============
> 
> 
> NOTE: 1. This does not include the Andover-Harvard 
> letters written by HPB to WQJ. ( Recd. October 1993.)
> 
> 2.	Other HPB letters or statement about Judge culled from
> various sources, such as LETTERS THAT HAVE 
HELPED
> ME, LUCIFER, IRISH THEOSOPHIST, PATH, .
> 
> ======================================================
> 
> 
> H. P. B. to Judge on NIRMANAKAYA residing within him.
> 
> 
> [ Oct. 3, 1886 ]
> 
> Ostende, Oct. 3, 1886
> 
> "The trouble with you is that you do not know the great change that 
came to
> pass in you a few years ago. Others have occasionally their astrals 
changed
> and replaced by those of Adepts (as of Elementaries) and they 
influence the
> outer, and the higher man. With you, it is the NIRMANAKAYA not 
the 'astral'
> that is blended with your astral. Hence the dual nature and 
fighting."
> -- HPB
> 
> WQJ BIOGRAPHY, Eek & DE ZIRCOV, p. 19;
> B.C.W. Vol. VII, p. xxvii, 138;
> THEOS. FORUM (Pt. Loma), Aug. 15, 1932, p. 253;
> 
> 
> ========================================================
> 
> 
> H P B's TRUST & RELIANCE ON JUDGE
> 
> 
> [Dec. 14 1888]
> 
> On December 14th 1888 HPB issued an ES order stating that Mr. Judge 
was to
> be her "...only channel through whom will be sent and received all
> communications between the members of said Section and myself 
[HPB]." She
> did this, as she then also wrote, establishing his 'position' in 
the ES
> "...in virtue of his character as a chela of thirteen years 
standing."
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It is plain that HPB reposed a special trust in Judge. She wrote 
in one of
> her letters to him ( # 4, above) that he was "...part of herself 
for several
> aeons...The Esoteric Section and its life in the U.S.A.
> depends on W.Q.J. remaining its agent and what he is now. The day 
W.Q.J.
> resigns, H.P.B. will be virtually dead for the Americans. W.Q.J. 
is the
> Antaskarana between the two Manas(es), the American thought and the
> Indian--or rather the trans-Himalayan Esoteric Knowledge.
> *
> DIXI H.P.B. * *
> 
> P.S. W.Q.J. had better show, and impress this on the minds of all 
those who
> it may concern." -- (H.P.B. )
> 
> ==========================
> 
> 
> In another letter she added: "If knowing that W.Q.J. is the only 
man in the
> E.S. in whom I have confidence enough not to have 
extracted from
> him a pledge, he misunderstands me or doubts my affection for him or
> gratitude..."
> 
> 
> Mr. Judge, as HPB must have seen at one point, had to be told about 
events
> that were potential in the future to come. Looking into that 
future, she
> wrote him from Ostende in July 1886:
> 
> 
> -- "Well, sir, and my only friend, the crisis is nearing. I am 
ending my
> S.D. and you are going to replace me, or take my place in 
America.
> I know you will have success if you do not lose heart; but do, do 
remain
> true to the Masters and Their Theosophy and THE NAMES... May They 
help you
> and allow us to send you our best blessings." 
> -- HPB { # 15, LETTERS, p. 280 )
> 
> 
> And, in another letter, She wrote:-- "Take my place in America now 
and,
> after I am gone, at Adyar. If you have no more personal ambition 
than I
> have--and I know you have not, only combativeness--then this will 
be no more
> sacrifice for you than it was for me to have Olcott as my 
President. ... I
> am yours truly in the work forever. Dispose of me. I will ... 
help you
> with all my powers..." 
> -- HPB	LETTERS p. 282
> 
> 
> On the inner planes of the constitution of man there are many 
mysteries,
> some of which Theosophy has made clearer. When one begins to deal 
with
> greater responsibilities, and wider fields of action in a movement 
which has
> the amelioration of the race for its objective and " to change the 
manas and
> buddhi " of that race ( the mental bent and the intuitiveness ), 
one becomes
> aware that great personages work side by side with us, may visit 
us, even,
> in our dreams, and speak to us with the whispers of inspiration.
> 
> 
> ___________________________
> 
> 
> 
> WQJ APPOINTED VICE-PRESIDENT T .S.
> 
> 
> On December 27-29th, 1888 at the Convention held at the Adyar 
Headquarters,
> Col. Olcott PTS nominated Mr. Judge to be Vice-President of the TS, 
and this
> was then done by election.(CWB X, XXVIII). Another important 
resolution was
> also passed then on the policy of reorganizing the TS on lines of 
autonomous
> sections, (see ODL IV 74-83). 
> [ The Theosophist, Supplement. Dec. 1888 ]
> 
> We may assume that this was ordered done by Master, HPB having 
written:
> "Master wants Judge to be elected for life, for reasons of his own--
that's
> God's truth..."; ( see # 12, ) and, writing directly to him, she 
says:
> "...Affairs and events may be turned off by unseen hands into such 
a groove
> that you will be unanimously elected for life -- just as Olcott and 
I
> were--to go on with the work after our deaths." 
> 
> 
> =====================================================
> 
> 
> "Mr. Judge once wrote of H.P.B.'s having shown him "where the 
designs for
> the work had been hidden," and again of her having laid down "the 
lines of
> force all over the land." It is clear that the methods adopted by 
H.P.B.
> were not empiric but conformed to a plan clearly visualized by the 
Masters."
> (BPW- T M 25-182)
> 
> 
> "The implementation of the plan depended primarily upon the work of 
H.P.B.,
> but depended and still depends secondarily upon the efforts of 
those with
> sufficient intuition to glimpse something of its outline. Of those 
in the
> public eye, perhaps only two, W. Q. Judge and Damodar K. 
Mavalankar, did so
> immediately, while the remainder were attracted by one or more of 
the Three
> Objects without at first grasping much of their deeper import. 
As early
> as April 1880, in "The Theosophist," it was stated in the revised 
Rules and
> By-Laws that the Society consisted of three Sections: The first was
> "exclusively of proficients or initiates in Esoteric Science or 
Philosophy,"
> who took a deep interest in the Society; the second was of 
Theosophists who
> had "proved their fidelity, zeal and courage and their devotion to 
the
> Society," that they had become able to regard all men as equally 
their
> brothers, and who were "ready to defend the life and honor of a 
brother
> Theosophist" at whatever risk to themselves; the third was of 
Probationers,
> who remained such until their purpose to remain in the Society had 
become
> fixed, their usefulness had been shown and their ability to conquer 
evil
> habits and unwarrantable prejudices had been demonstrated."
> (Ditto) [B P W, T M, v. 25, p. 182]
> 
> ==================================
> 
> also
> 
> Volume 2 LETTERS THAT HAVE HELPED ME - Judge 
> Extracts
> 
> p. 106	On Theosophy and the T. S.
> 
> All the work that any of us do anywhere redounds to the interest 
and benefit
> of the whole T. S., and for that reason we know that we are united. 
> The Self is one and all-powerful, but it must happen to the seeker 
from time
> to time that he or she shall feel the strangeness of new 
conditions; this is
> not a cause for fear. If the mind is kept intent on the Self and not
> diverted from it, and comes to see the Self in all things, no 
matter what,
> then fear should pass away in time. I would therefore advise you to 
study
> and meditate over the Bhagavat Gita, which is a book that has done 
me more
> good than all others in the whole range of books, and is the one 
that can be
> studied all the time. 
> This will do more good than anything, if the great teachings are 
silently
> assimilated and put into action, for it goes to the very root of 
things and
> gives the true philosophy of life. 
> 
> If you try to put into practice what in your inner life you hold to 
be
> right, you will be more ready to receive helpful thoughts and the 
inner life
> will grow more real. I hope with you that your home may become a 
strong
> centre of work for Theosophy. 
> 
> ----- 
> 
> "You want to know the inner situation of the T. S., well, it is 
just this:
> we have all worked along for eighteen years, and the T. S. as a 
body has its
> karma as well as each one in it. Those in it who have worked hard, 
of
> course, have their own karma, and have brought themselves to a 
point ahead
> of the T. S. Now, if the branches are weak in their knowledge of 
Theosophy,
> and in their practice of its precepts and their understanding of 
the whole
> thing, the body is in the situation of the child who has been 
growing too
> fast for its strength, and if that be the case it is bound to have 
a check.
> For my part I do not want any great rush, since I too well know how 
weak
> even those long in it are. As to individuals, say you, . . . and so 
on. By
> reason of hard and independent work you have got yourselves in the 
inner
> realm just where you may soon begin to get the attention of the 
Black
> Magicians, who then begin to try to knock you out, so beware. 
Attempts will
> be silently made to arouse irritation, and to increase it where it 
now
> exists. So the only thing to do is to live as much as possible in 
the higher
> nature, and each one to crush out the small and trifling 
ebullitions of the
> lower nature which ordinarily are overlooked, and thus strength is 
gained in
> the whole nature, and the efforts of the enemy made nil. This is of 
the
> highest importance, and if not attended to it will be sad. This is 
what I
> had in view in all the letters I have sent to you and others. I 
hope you
> will be able to catch hold of men, here and there, who will take 
the right,
> true, solid view, and be left thus behind you as good men and good 
agents. 
> 
> ----- 
> 
> 107.	When I was in ----- I broached to you and others the plan of 
getting
> Theosophy to the working people. Has anything been done? It must be 
simply
> put. It can be understood. It is important. Let us see if this 
thing cannot
> be done; you all promised to go to work at it. Why not turn, like 
the Bible
> man, to the byways and hedges from all these people who will not 
come? Then
> I feel sure that, if managed right, a lot of people who believe in 
Theosophy
> but don't want to come out for it, would help such a movement, 
seeing that
> it would involve talking to the poor and giving them sensible 
stuff. If need
> be, I'd hold a meeting every night, and not give them abstractions. 
Add
> music, if possible, etc. Now let me hear your ideas. Time rolls on 
and many
> queer social changes are on the way. 
> 
> ----- 
> 
> 107.	I have your long letter from ------ and you are right as to 
conduct
> of Branches. No Branch should depend on one person, for, if so, it 
will
> slump, sure; nor on two or three either. Here they depended on me 
for a long
> time, and my bad health in voice for a year was a good thing as it 
made the
> others come forward. ----- is right enough in his way, but 
certainly he
> ought to be fitting himself for something in addition to speaking, 
as the T.
> S. has to have a head as well as a tongue; and if a man knows he is 
bad at
> business, he should mortify himself by making himself learn it, and 
thus get
> good discipline. We sadly need at all places some true enthusiasts. 
But all
> that will come in time. The main thing is for the members to study 
and know
> Theosophy, for if they do not know it how can they give any of it 
to others?
> Of course, at all times most of the work falls upon the few, as is 
always
> the case, but effort should be made, as you say, to bring out other
> material. 
> 
> ----- 
> 
> 108.	. . . . I am abundantly sure that you are quite correct in 
saying
> that it is the Branches which work that flourish, and that those 
addicted to
> "Parlour Talks" soon squabble and dwindle. You have gone right to 
the root
> of the matter. So, also, I agree with you, heart and soul, in what 
you say
> as to the policy of a timid holding and setting forth of Theosophy. 
Nothing
> can be gained by such a policy, and all experience points to energy 
and
> decision as essential to any real advance. 
> 
> ----- 
> 
> 108.	You are, I think, quite right to attempt to get all members 
to work
> for their individual advance, by working for their Branches. By 
doing things
> in this way, they provide an additional safeguard for themselves, 
while
> forming a centre from which Theosophical thought can radiate out to 
help and
> encourage others who are only beginning their upward way. 
> 
> ----- 
> 
> 108.	I find that you state my view exactly. That view is that the 
A B C
> of Theosophy should be taught all the time, and this not only for 
the sake
> of outsiders, but also for the sake of the members who are, I very 
well
> know, not so far along as to need the elaborate work all the time. 
And it is
> just because the members are not well grounded that they are not 
able
> themselves to get in more inquirers. Just as you say, if the simple 
truths
> practically applied as found in Theosophy are presented, you will 
catch at
> last some of the best people, real workers and valuable members. And
> Theosophy can best be presented in a simple form by one who has 
mastered the
> elements as well as "the nature of the Absolute." It is just this 
floating
> in the clouds which sometimes prevents a Branch from getting on. 
And I fully
> agree, also, that if the policy I have referred to should result 
temporarily
> in throwing off some few persons it would be a benefit, for you 
would find
> others coming to take their places. And I can agree with you, 
furthermore,
> out of actual experience. 
> 
> ----- 
> 
> 109.	You by no means need to apologise for asking my attention to 
the
> matter of your joining the Theosophical Society. It is my great 
desire and
> privilege to give to all sincere enquirers whatever information I 
may
> possess, and certainly there can be no greater pleasure than to 
further the
> internal progress of any real student and aspirant. I think you 
quite right
> in wishing to identify yourself with the Theosophical Society, not 
only
> because that is the natural and obvious step for anyone sincerely
> interested; but also because each additional member with right 
spirit
> strengthens the body for its career and work. 
> 
> ----- 
> 
> 109.	In taking advantage of an opportunity to introduce Theosophy 
into
> the secular press you are doing exactly the work which is so 
invaluable to
> the Society, and which I so constantly urge upon our members. It is 
in this
> way that so very many persons are reached who would otherwise be 
quite
> inaccessible, and the amount of good which seed thus sown can 
accomplish is
> beyond our comprehension. You have my very hearty approval of and
> encouragement in your work and I am very sure that that work will 
not be
> without fruit. 
> 
> ----- 
> 
> 109.	NEW YORK, October 11th, 1892. -- This is the era of Western
> Occultism. We are now to stand shoulder to shoulder in the U. S. to 
present
> it and enlarge it in view of coming cussedness, attacks which will 
be in the
> line of trying to impose solely Eastern disciples on us. The 
Masters are not
> Eastern or Western, but universal. 
> 
> ----- 
> 
> 109.	I shall be glad to give you any information possible 
respecting
> Theosophy and the Theosophical Society, but I think you err in 
supposing
> that the purpose of either is to encourage the study of what is 
known as the
> Occult Arts. 
> 
> Knowledge concerning, and control of, the finer forces of nature 
are not
> things which should be sought after at our elementary stage of 
progress, nor
> would such attainment be appropriate, even if possible, to anyone 
who had
> not thoroughly mastered the principles of Theosophy itself. 
> 
> Mere desire for powers is a form of selfishness, and receives no
> encouragement from our Teachers. Mme. Blavatsky stated this matter 
very
> clearly indeed in an article published in Lucifer, 
entitled "Occultism
> versus the Occult Arts." When persons without a large preliminary 
training
> in the real Wisdom-Religion seek knowledge on the Occult plane they 
are very
> apt, from inexperience and inadequate culture, to drift into black 
magic. I
> have no power to put you into communication with any adept to guide 
you in a
> course of Occult study, nor would it be of service to you if the 
thing was
> possible. The Theosophical Society was not established for any such 
purpose,
> nor could anyone receive instructions from an adept until he was 
ripe for
> it. In other words, he must undergo a long preliminary training in
> knowledge, self-control, and the subjugation of the lower nature 
before he
> would be in any way fit for instruction on the higher planes. What I
> recommend you to do is to study the elementary principles of 
Theosophy and
> gain some idea of your own nature as a human being and as an 
individual, but
> drop entirely all ambition for knowledge or power which would be
> inappropriate to your present stage, and to correct your whole 
conception of
> Theosophy and Occultism. 
> 
> 
> ========================================================
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alaya 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:14 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Path of Occultism 
> 
> I guess a true occultist never speaks of his personal experiences..
> if he does, he is not a real occultist