Theos-Talk Archives (July 2005 Message tt00212)

July 30 2005

Dear Kathy:

I wonder if this may not contains some ideas relevant to your query (below):

July 30 2005

RE: Maya

Dear Friends:

Concerning the observations made:

"Gerald wrote:
"The fact of the matter is that everything in conditional
reality is an aggregate and there simply is no such thing as a "one"
anything."
I read a passage recently along these lines and sums it up well:
"What we call 'I', or 'being', is only a combination of physical and mental
aggregates, which are working together interdependently in a flux of
momentary change within the law of cause and effect, and that there is
nothing permanent, everlasting, unchanging in the whole of existence". --
M. F.
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Thinking over this, I would like to offer for consideration:


In the Universe all changes constantly. Agreed. Yet the "parts" of the
Universe retain and continually sustain an individuality of their own. 

As the Universe is immortal, so are they all immortals. But this
immortality is of "spirit-energy ?" and not of "matter." 

This atmosphere of continual change may be considered a "veil" to REALITY,
and designated "maya" in Buddhist philosophy, or elsewhere.

But the UNIVERSE is ONE, and as it includes all subsidiaries, may we not say
that those subsidiaries (Monads, ATMA-BUDDHI, or however defined) are in
essence of the same quality, capacity, potential and nature as the UNIVERSE
of which they form an indissoluble part ?

In their total aggregate may we not assume that they and the UNIVERSE are in
fact that ONE ? "As above, so below."

Whether mobile or static, it seems that the essential unity of any one
"part" may be correlated by analogy to all others as well as to the WHOLE,
the ONE ?

Since we have evidence all around us of cooperation, and a life-support
system in place, may we deduce that there are Laws and Rules established in
antiquity (however remote) that operate in the ONE UNIVERSE to protect and
promote every and all "parts" thereof ? [ S D I 157-8]

There are evidences of various states of matter relative to their energy
content and area of influence and existence / manifestation. - These, as
sub-divisions, have tentatively been called etherial, aeriform, gaseous,
vaporous, astral bodies and planes, and as condensation proceeds (perhaps
the inter-atomic spaces are universally reduced ?) liquids, semi-liquids,
crystalline and amorphous solids appear in all their vast variety and
infra-structures. 

The Theosophical view of the formation of worlds is traced in detail in the
pages of the SECRET DOCTRINE, Vol. I -- : An IDEAL (SPIRITUAL) Plan is
established (akasic and of "Jiva" (life-universal) and thereon, under the
Karma of the "parts [Monads]" condensation proceeds, and energy guides
thereafter all aspects of density and configuration. Matter as we know it is
progressively developed and distributed as needed.

[A useful diagram relative to this is given on S D I 200.]

The fist half of the Cycle of Manifestation seems to be expressible as :

Ex-spiritual, to Akasic Plan, to ethereal, airy forms, and, as density
increases, the individual form size condenses. [Solid matter - Globe D.]

Concurrent with the development of the necessary materials is the
development of intelligence: natural impulses and expressions of attraction
and repulsion [Kama]; this gradually provides forms of increased ability
for Minds to use and inhabit. The process of "reincarnation" is employed for
this. [Mankind is at this stage at present.] [ S D I 181-2]

Mental development includes at first all adjustments to coexistence with the
natural impulses [Kama]. Chaotic impulses are brought into order.
[Kama-manas is encouraged to transform itself into Buddhi-Manas.] 

The capacity to think and the field of thought are then studied and brought
under control by each Mind-Unit [Monad] .

The perception of universal and impersonal rules of life, cooperation and
Law [Karma] now engage the conscious attention of the Thinker-Ego [the
Higher aspect of Kama-Manas], under the guidance of the tutoring Monad
[ATMA-BUDDHI]. [This accounts for the "Two Egos" in Man.]

Self-consciousness as a tool of study and observation gradually refined and
fine-tuned gives way to the orderly processes of discrimination, as WISDOM
(Universal Law in Operation: ) is perceived to be impersonally and
universally operative. 

The passionate and emotional character of the "lower Mind" [Kama-Manas] is
now fully controlled and it makes itself voluntarily docile, as it also
acquires the power to reason and perceives its own permanent existence (as
memory) depends on its fidelity (in every life) to Law as an expression of
continual living Virtue, or Wisdom in every and all actions (life and
living) .

When this portion of the program has been achieved, it proceeds to
consolidation and diffusion of these disciplines by progressive steps
through nature: physical to astral, astral to emotional and passion,
passion to dispassion and self-control, 
Acquirement of mental stability and acuity leads to dispassion and
discrimination, as BUDDHI {wisdom} is made the dominant base for all
actions. 

Nature having thus been "purified" and transformed into Mulaprakriti
(root-matter) it is possible for ATMA to manifest without veil (or maya) at
last. 

I wonder if this is of help?

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Forster 
Sent: 
Subject: RE: Maya

Gerald wrote:
"The fact of the matter is that everything in conditional
reality is an aggregate and there simply is no such thing as a "one"
anything."
I read a passage recently along these lines and sums it up well:
"What we call 'I', or 'being', is only a combination of physical and mental
aggregates, which are working together interdependently in a flux of
momentary change within the law of cause and effect, and that there is
nothing permanent, everlasting, unchanging in the whole of existence". 
 
I will not add some notes below as yours are so cogent.

I think Leon was overwhelmed for a while with the messages on Theosophy-talk
-- that could not be read or answered.

I too would like to know how he is.


Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Cass Silva
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:50 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: : NEW MATTER DISCOVERED

Dear Dallas,

I find this paragraphs particularly interesting.

"W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net> wrote:


July 27 2005

RE: : NEW MATTER DISCOVERED

Dear Mark and Friends:


What about "dark matter," and "black holes?"

Cass: We are made of star stuff - is this the embodiment of consciousness
on the physical plane?

HPB says:   
and being what we term the collective or the aggregate of Cosmic Will on the
plane of the subjective Universe, unite together an infinitude of
monads-each the mirror of its own Universe-and thus individualize for the
time being an independent mind, omniscient and universal; and by the same
process of magnetic aggregation they create for themselves objective,
visible bodies, out of the interstellar atoms. 

Cass: Science has discovered that all atomic components vibrate with
specific frequencies. This vibratory nature has led to the Quantum
mechanics we use today, which states that the atomic components have a dual
nature of particle and of wave vibration. 


HPB	For atoms and Monads, (are) themselves the Radiations of primordial
nature. Atoms are called "Vibrations" in Occultism; also
"Sound"-collectively. 


Cass: Electrons group themselves in orbital layers and are in fact trapped
inside those energy levels. Electrons spin around the nucleus at a certain
distance from the nucleus and that distance forms a "potential pit" which
the electrons cannot easily jump from (say from one potential pit to
another). Each potential pit holds a certain number of electrons, S layer
holds 2, the P layer holds 4, the d layer holds 8 and the f layer holds 16.
Because they all move so fast science sometimes refers to them as electron
clouds.

HPB: He (Tyndall) has traced and recorded the rapidity of their motion
and transmission; the force of their impact; their setting up vibrations in
the tympanum and their transmission of these to the stolithes, etc.,
etc.,till the vibration of the auditory nerve commences-and a new phenomenon
now takes place: the subjective side of the process or the sensation of
Sound.


Cass: Can anyone please explain 'TYMPANUM, STOLITHES???

HPB: The waves and undulations of Science are all produced by atoms
propelling their molecules into activity from within. Atoms fill the
immensity of
Space, and by their continuous vibration are that MOTION which keeps the
wheels of Life perpetually going. 


HPB: As described by Seers-those who can see the motion of the
interstellar
shoals, and follow them in their evolution clairvoyantly-they are dazzling,
like specks of virgin snow in radiant sunlight. Their velocity is swifter
than thought, quicker than any mortal physical eye could follow, and, as
well as can be judged from the tremendous rapidity of their course, the
motion is circular. . . . . Standing on an open plain, on a mountain summit
especially, and gazing into the vast vault above and the spacial infinitudes
around, the whole atmosphere seems ablaze with them, the air soaked through
with these dazzling coruscations. At times, the intensity of their motion
produces flashes like the Northern lights during the Aurora Borealis. The
sight is so marvellous, that, as the Seer gazes into this inner world, and
feels the scintillating points shoot past him, he is filled with awe at the
thought of other, still greater mysteries, that lie beyond, and within, this
radiant ocean. . . . . 


As the UNIVERSE is ONE, a condition of its causal and forceful embodiment in
forms of matter is occasional and cyclical.


M.Kaku, wrote this:	In his memoirs, Einstein wrote that he was disturbed
that his equations contained solutions that allowed for time travel. But he
finally concluded: the universe does not rotate, it ex-pands (i.e. as in the
Big Bang theory) and hence Goedel's solution could be thrown out for
"physical reasons." (Apparently, if the Big Bang was rotating, then time
travel would be possible throughout the universe!)

Then in 1963, Roy Kerr, a New Zealand mathematician, found a
solution of Einstein's equations for a rotating black hole, which had
bizarre properties. The black hole would not collapse to a point (as
previously thought) but into a spinning ring (of neutrons). 


The ring would be circulating so rapidly that centrifugal force would keep
the ring from collapsing under gravity. The ring, in turn, acts like the
Looking Glass of Alice. Anyone walking through the ring would not die, but
could pass through the ring into an alternate universe. Since then, hundreds
of other "wormhole" solutions have been found to Einstein's equations. These
wormholes connect not only two regions of space (hence the name) but also
two regions of time as well. In principle, they can be used as time
machines. 

Recently, attempts to add the quantum theory to gravity (and hence create a
"theory of everything") have given us some insight into the paradox problem.
In the quantum theory, we can have multiple states of any object. For
example, an electron can exist simultaneously in different orbits (a fact
which is responsible for giving us the laws of chemistry). Similarly,
Schrodinger's famous cat can exist simultaneously in two possible states:
dead and alive. So by going back in time and altering the past, we merely
create a parallel universe. So we are changing someone ELSE's past by
saving, say, Abraham Lincoln from being assassinated at the Ford Theater,
but our Lincoln is still dead. In this way, the river of time forks into two
separate rivers. But does this mean that we will be able to jump into H.G.
Wells' machine, spin a dial, and soar several hundred thousand years into
England's future? No. There are a number of difficult hurdles to overcome. 

First, the main problem is one of energy. In the same way that a car needs
gasoline, a time machine needs to have fabulous amounts of energy. One
either has to harness the power of a star, or to find something called
"exotic" matter (which falls up, rather than down) or find a source of
negative energy. (Physicists once thought that negative energy was
impossible. But tiny amounts of negative energy have been experimentally
verified for something called the Casimir effect, i.e. the energy created by
two parallel plates). All of these are exceedingly difficult to obtain in
large quantities, at least for several more centuries! 

Then there is the problem of stability. The Kerr black hole, for example,
may be unstable if one falls through it. Similarly, quantum effects may
build up and destroy the wormhole before you enter it. Unfortunately, our
mathematics is not powerful enough to answer the question of stability
because you need a "theory of everything" which combines both quantum forces
and gravity. 


At present, superstring theory is the leading candidate for such a theory
(in fact, it is the ONLY candidate; it really has no rivals at all). But
superstring theory, which happens to be my specialty, is still to difficult
to solve completely. The theory is well-defined, but no one on earth is
smart enough to solve 


HPB: The Universe in its organism is infinitely sensitive and so
delicately
balanced that the least component is considered and related to the
cooperative inter-action of every other. 

Cass: I think also Jung refers to this as the collective unconscious,
because we all have an unconscious existence, this individual
unconsciousness is part of, and in fact makes up, the collective
unconscious. It is this we tune in to when remote viewing, or ESP,
clairvoyance, etc, the akashic. The source of all human knowledge.

Would be interested to hear something back from the scientifically minded.

Does anyone know what has happened to Leon, I am very concerned about his
absence?

Cass






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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hamilton Jr.
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:41 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: NEW MATTER DISCOVERED

They have a different theory for people who rejected the big bang,
like myself. This is my favorite so far. Scientists discovered a black
hole towards the originating point of the universe. They believe it is
constantly sucking in and spitting out matter that eventually forms
into galaxies when it becomes too dense. Blavatsky knew that
everything was cyclical, and seems to suggest the same theory. I don't
have my copy of SD nearby right now or else I'd quote from her.

-Mark H.




		
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