Theos-Talk Archives (August 2005 Message tt00220)

So if man loves woman;he let her speak...
C.


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Erica Letzerich" 
<eletzerich@y...> wrote:
> In the beginning, God created the earth and rested. Then God 
created 
> Man and rested. Then God created Woman. Since then, neither God nor 
> Man has rested.
> 
> Man says to God, "God, why did you make woman so beautiful?"
> God says, "So you would love her."
> "But God," the man says, "why did you make her so dumb?"
> God replies, "So she would love you." 
> 
> 
> Erica
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Perry Coles" <perrycoles@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > It seems quite amazing to me that any thinking and feeling person 
> > could take seriously any kind of notion of women 'not having a 
> soul'.
> > 
> > This is one of the worst examples of patriarchal culture where 
> women 
> > have been until recently largely excluded from elite male power 
> > structures.
> > 
> > To even consider this as a possibility is I think an act of 
> violence.
> > 
> > Women could not be Priests or monks this applies equally to 
> Buddhism 
> > as it does to Christianity, EVEN TO THIS DAY women are not 
allowed 
> in 
> > fully into the Preistly domain !?!
> > Theosophy should be taking us away from these egregious and 
> ignorant 
> > mindsets rather than giving any credence to them what so ever.
> > 
> > 
> > Perry
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel H. Caldwell" 
> > <danielhcaldwell@y...> wrote:
> > > Frank, you write in part:
> > > 
> > > "Why are you not satisfied when I come to conclusions 
> > > which may be different from your research? Hang him 
> > > higher! Bomb them down!"
> > > 
> > > Similarly, I might ask you: why are you not satisfied
> > > when Leadbeater comes to conclusions which may
> > > be different from your own research? Apparently
> > > you are not so "satisfied" either and are not shy
> > > at pointing out Leadbeater's differences and even
> > > calling him a "swindler"! :)
> > > 
> > > My comments were in response to what you had written
> > > in the following posting:
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/27948
> > > 
> > > In this posting you refer to the views of Thomas, the synod of 
> > Paris 
> > > in 846 A.C, the synod of Coyaca in 1050, other synods, Clemens, 
> > John 
> > > Chrysostomos, Pope Pius II, and Buddhist monks on the "lower" 
> > status 
> > > of women and then seemingly conclude:
> > > 
> > > "I think that Theosophy teaches SIMILIAR in its HIGHER 
teachings, 
> > > but POPULAR Theosophy looks as is men and women are equal.
> > > GdeP elsewhere said (I am looking for the text I read some 
years 
> > > before) - perhaps in one of his circulars - as warning for 
future 
> > > theosophists that women may not get leaders in the TM for the 
> next 
> > > some hundreds of years because of their LACK OF THE DIVINE SOUL 
> and 
> > > their attraction to the lower astral world."
> > > caps added
> > > 
> > > Frank, if you want to believe all of this that is up to you, 
but 
> I 
> > > simply wanted to point out to readers who may not know that 
much 
> > > about Theosophy that there may be other views on the matter!  
> > > 
> > > Furthermore, it appears that you wanted to cite Purucker as 
> > > a "knowledgeable" authority to support this view of yours.  
Well, 
> > in 
> > > turn, I believe that Pedro quoted KH to support an opposite 
view 
> on 
> > > the matter.
> > > 
> > > If you want me to be brutally honest, I think such a view as 
the 
> > one 
> > > you give ranks up there with some of the other claptrap put out 
> by 
> > > such "occultists" as Leadbeater, Bailey, Prophet, Ballard, 
etc.  
> I 
> > > hope GdP doesn't also believe this "claptrap." 
> > > 
> > > But of course that is only my view and others may differ. :)
> > > 
> > > I give again for other readers the words of Master KH:
> > > 
> > > ". . . Woman must not be looked upon as only an appanage of man,
> > > since she was not made for his mere benefit or pleasure any 
more 
> > than
> > > he for hers; but the two must be realized as equal powers though
> > > unlike individualities.
> > > 
> > > ". . . Woman's mission is to become the mother of future
> > > occultists—
> > > of those who will be born without sin. On the elevation of 
woman 
> the
> > > world's redemption and salvation hinge. And not till woman 
bursts 
> > the
> > > bonds of her sexual slavery, to which she has ever been 
subjected,
> > > will the world obtain an inkling of what she really is and of 
her
> > > proper place in the economy of nature . . .
> > > 
> > > ". . . Then the world will have a race of Buddhas and Christs, 
for
> > > the world will have discovered that individuals have it in 
their 
> own
> > > powers to procreate Buddha-like children or — demons. When that
> > > knowledge comes, all dogmatic religions and with these the 
demons,
> > > will die out."
> > > 
> > > To Jerry HE: if you are reading this, can you tell us from 
your 
> > > study of GdP if he actually teaches this view as given by Frank?
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc