Theos-Talk Archives (December 2005 Message tt00178)

Anand,

When it comes to straightening out the truth or puching holes in propaganda, 
as HPB would agree, "manners and etiquettes" are for mealy mouthed political 
cowards.

I understand why you avoid replying with reasonable counter arguments to 
anyone who disagrees with you by stating irrefutable facts that counteract your 
overly repeated false and sly questions and propaganda like assertions.  

It's a fact that in spite of such assertions, the TS was founded by HPB under 
sanction of the Masters, and that Besant and Leadbeater grabbed control after 
her death, distorted the ancient teachings, and attempted to make an 
organized religion out of it with themselves as its High Priests.

Since you have no facts to base your belief in Leadbeater's veracity and 
motives or Besant's loyalty to the Masters on, all you can do is criticize the 
methods of writing of anyone who disagrees with you and isn't afraid to call a 
spade a spade without mincing words... As if such an ad hominem response byyou 
makes all your unfounded assertions correct.   

That's simply a cop out... And, after listening to all your implied 
denigration's of Blavatsky and the Masters over the past several months, I stand by the 
facts presented in my comments. Enough is enough. It's a shame that 
newcomers to theosophy who come to this forum to learn the truth as presented 
directly by the Masters themselves through the medium of HPB are bombarded with the 
pseudo theosophy of late coming usurpers like AB, CWL and their new 
proselytizers desiring to assume their roles.

However, none of this is to say that Leadbeater wasn't a knowledgeable 
occultist, and except for a number of distortions, that his writings aren't 
worthwhile reading for those interested in the subject. From my point of view, such 
study allows one to make comparisons with many other occultists' writings, 
including those of Blavatsky Digging out and analyzing where he goes wrong and 
violates fundamental principles, can teach one a great deal.    

Leon Maurer

In a message dated 12/18/05 4:38:48 AM, AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org writes:

> Leon,
> If you don't agree with me, I don't mind. You are free to believe or
> not to believe in any leader or philosophy. But your language is
> generally so fanatic and without consideration of manners and
> etiquettes that I would rather hesitate to discuss philosophical
> issues with you. There are few other individuals who have same
> fanatic language pattern, so I simply ignore their messages. If
> anybody wants me to discuss with him, he will have to first write in
> the language of gentleman, otherwise get ignored.
> 
> Anand Gholap
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> >
> > Anand, who are you kidding?   Why don't you get real and stop this endless
> > proselytizing of pseudo theosophy and its late coming teachers who 
> > captured the original Theosophical Society with their conjured up 
> messianic
> > religion and false Christ?  
> >
> > It's too bad you apparently have never studied the fundamental 
> theosophical 
> > teachings -- both contemporary with HPB and the Masters, or its  
> earlier
> > teachers from Porphyry and Plotinus on and Hermes, Pythagorus, Plato, etc. 
> 
> >before them -- in sufficient depth to recognize the gross distortians made 
> to 
> > the occultbasis of these teachings by Annie Besant, Charles W. Leadbeater
>  
> > and Alice Bailey... Apparently, to justify their own personal religious 
> beliefs 
> > as well as their personal desires for organizational power, pomp  and 
> ceremony.  
> >
> > Ancient "Divine Wisdom," or "Theosophy" as it is called today, has been
> > around since long before C. W. Leadbeater came on the scene, andwas 
> > "gifted" to the contemporary world by H. P. Blavatsky when she, as the 
> direct
> > agent of the "Masters" of Wisdom, initiated and founded the Theosophical
> > Society in 1875, wrote "Isis Unveiled," and later, "The Secret Doctrine" 
> (based
> > on the "Book of Dzyan") and "Voice of the Silence" (both excerpted from 
> the
> > original "Divine Wisdom" of the ancient "Book of the Golden Precepts.")
> >
> > So, it sounds like you are blowing your horn for a bigoted distorter of 
> that
> > "Divine Wisdom" who -- in spite of the denials by the Masters and the 
> directly
> > opposed, anti organized religion teachings of H.P.B. (the real founder of 
> the
> > Theosophical Society) -- turned it into a personalized God led, messianic
> > religion (Liberal Catholic Church) that would satisfy the Christian 
> majority of
> > T.S. members and their non member counterparts only, or convert all other 
> blind
> > believers in a personal God, into such a hierarchically ruled, dictatorial
> > religion as the LCC ... Much like the Christianized version of Theosophy
> > described by Alice Bailey -- that would, ultimately, when in power as a 
> "New 
> > World Order" government, either convert all others to their version of 
> slavish,
> > messianic ruled Christianity, or physically enforce their religiously 
> oriented laws
> > under penalty of both pre and after death retribution.  
> >
> > Such a condition should be anathema to all true theosophists, whom, like
> > Blavatsky and the "American Founders" would believe in a pure democratic 
> > society based on individual liberty, equality and brotherhood -- totally
> > separate from any organized religion and its blind, authoritatively 
> enforced
> > beliefs that might try to enforce brotherhood by edict rather than 
> brotherhood
> > by individual choice based on a true understanding of the eternal 
> verities.
> >
> > In this light, C. W. Leadbeater, who gifted us nothing more than a twisted
> > pseudo theosophy that countermanded the fundamental and universal
> > teachings of all the real "Masters of Wisdom" and their direct agents, 
> could be
> > considered as a "Satan" rather than a "Santa Clause." </:-[>  
> >
> > Leonardo
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/17/05 5:31:49 AM, AnandGholap@A... writes:
> >
> >
> > > How does it sound
> > > "C.W. Leadbeater, a Santa Claus who gifted Divine Wisdom to the world"
> > >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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