Theos-Talk Archives (December 2005 Message tt00374)

After reading Alaya's & Perry's comments
on reincarnation, I dusted off one of my own articles
on this subject. It is still in rough
draft but I share it for what it is worth.

See:

"Some Questions Concerning Reincarnation 
and the Fate of Victims of Accidents & Violence"

at:

http://blavatskyarchives.com/reincarnationstevenson.htm

Daniel
http://blavatskyarchives.com





--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Alaya" <lalaya7@y...> wrote:
>
> yes perry, this is a confusing subjetc
> but it's very difficult to understant this statment when we think 
that
> HPB knew she was Cagliostro in her previous incarnation (in 18
> centrury)... and what would we say about those children who return 
in
> few years and have clear memories of their previous life?
> I myself know that between this life and my last one I spent only 
47
> years 'dead'... and I also know where i was in the 16 century... so
> how can this 15 centuries theory be true when personal experiences
> prove the contrary?
> I was thinking maybe this 'long space of time' is a psychological
> time.. relative time, and doesn't correspond to time on Earth..
> about other planets.. Masters really say in their letters about 
life
> on other planets, but as i understand, only mahatmas can switch 
like
> that, since they (and the secret doctrine) also made clear that our
> 'humanity' is on ITS cicle, and other planets have other cicles, so
> we, ordinary human being, could not possibly change..
> Anyway..
> thanks for your answer
> 
> Alaya
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "plcoles1" <plcoles1@y...> 
wrote:
> >
> > Hello Alaya,
> > Just as a point of clarification HPB and her teachers also 
suggested
> a similar period of 
> > time.
> > 
> > Key to theosophy page 145 in the chapter 'on the kamaloka and 
devachan':
> > 
> > "ENQUIRER. What of the latter? How long does the incarnating Ego
> remain in the 
> > Devachanic state?
> > 
> > THEOSOPHIST. This, we are taught, depends on the degree of
> spirituality and the merit or 
> > demerit of the last incarnation. The average time is from ten to
> fifteen centuries, as I 
> > already told you."
> > 
> > Just as a personal opinion I think that the question of
> reincarnation and metempsychosis is 
> > an interesting one.
> > I would suggest that in many areas of the teachings our
> understandings are quite clunky 
> > and partial.
> > 
> > In the devachan letter the mahatma suggests that 'we' 
reincarnate on
> other `planets'. 
> > 
> > Where my own mind and imagination have gone on this is, what is a
> `planet' a state of 
> > consciousness perhaps?
> > 
> > Is the physical planet simply a representation of a particular 
state
> of being?
> > 
> > Perhaps we are a little Earthocentric in that we think this
> manifestation of 'earth' we find 
> > ourselves in is the only one.
> > 
> > Maybe this `Earth' has many different manifestations in this
> multiverse and maybe we 
> > don't necessarily return to the same planet in the same way 
that we
> cant step into the 
> > same river twice.
> > 
> > Another musing is maybe `Atlantis' and `Lemuria' can be seen in a
> similar way.
> > 
> > As I say these are only musings but who knows maybe multi'
> dimensions play a role in this 
> > process of reincarnation?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Perry 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Alaya" <lalaya7@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > what do you think about these absurd statements made by 
leadbeater
> > > that people reincarnate only after a long space of time, like 
700,
> > > 1000 years... and that a 'elevated being' would take 1200 
years to
> return?
> > > he also said that 800 years after his death he would 
reincarnate in
> > > California.
> > > 
> > > What do you think about this teaching of his?
> > > I thing it is harmful to theosophy and can make people have 
erroneous
> > > notions about reincarnation.
> > > All those who have had past lifes experiencies know that the 
average
> > > is one incarnation for century
> > > we also know that many masters did return in other bodies in 
the next
> > > centuries...
> > > sow how could leadbeater say something so foolish as 'people 
are
> > > reborn every 800 years'?
> > > how could someone who said Besant was the PET of Master M. in
> > > Atlantis... who fake others lives and invented the 'real' 
story for
> > > life in Mars and then says this stupidity be taken seriously??
> > >
> >
>