Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00062)

Dear Cass,

Your observations are something I've thought about at length and 
have often considered whether the answer is a matter of nature or 
nurture.  Is one lifetime enough to "train" an individual into 
behavior necessary to sustain churchianity?  Did the new cycle that 
began in 1897 call forth a renewal of forces that had declined in 
the period when churchianity prevailed?  

Blavatsky dedicated "The Secret Doctrine" to those who called it 
forth, explicitly suggesting a calling to which she responded.  
Since the first time I picked up that book I felt that on some level 
she had answered my call.  Blavatsky articulated what I believed and 
expounded it in a grand vision with logical coherence that did not 
require blind faith.  

I have always felt that Blavatsky laid the groundwork for broad 
changes that were inevitable in the century after "The Secret 
Doctrine" was published.  At the age of 4 in Bethany, Oklahoma, 
where my parents met in a Nazarene ministerial school, I was baffled 
at my parents' devotion to a "God" that had flooded the world in an 
effort to destroy humankind.  They spanked me when I flooded the 
house but adored a God that intended to destroy them.  My mother 
loved the rainbow because it reminded of her God's promise to 
humankind.  I vowed that I would find a way to help my parents when 
I grew up.  I was convinced something was wrong with people who  
believed the things they taught me.  

I smile to myself when remembering meeting with a young woman who 
taught Tantra and her mother stopped by to say "hello."  I had 
always had tremendous respect for this teacher and was surprised at 
her mother's veneer of sociability.  When I asked this teacher if 
her mother was interested in wha we were doing, she smiled and 
commented that her mother is an immature soul.  This happened 15 
years before I had heard of "The Secret Doctrine" and had no 
relationship to any theosophical organization.

The era when children were reared to think for themselves started in 
the century after Blavatsky's death and, I suggest, is tied to the 
cycle for which Blavatsky laid new groundwork.  Further, the 20th 
century was a transitional period between the cycle that ended in 
1897 and the full uptake of the new cycle.  

Solar warming that is producing systemic heating notably increased 
around 1900, after the end of the mini Ice Age in the middle of the 
19th century.  This cycle of global warming is producing many 
changes in the planet's life forms that are already apparent, and 
many more that are not yet apparent.  

Today, I spoke with a friend who is studying the DNA of fungi 
directly related to global warming that is already affecting trees 
worldwide.  Increased heating and radiation is affecting life on 
this planet in ways that were not previously been considered, 
because the trend is still in its first 100 years.

As Blavatsky predicted, psychism has escalated at an amazing 
rate.  "Medium," based on true cases on which psychic Allison Dubois 
worked with a district attorney's office, was a hit TV series last 
year.  Fact-based television shows about psychics that work with 
police are aired several nights a week.  
  
My vote is that the nature of cycles profoundly affects the capacity 
for nurture.  I recall reading that in the past India had been 
isolated to protect the teachings deposited there, possibly, because 
of a cycle in process.  This recollection is not necessarily 
completely accurate, and I didn't mark the comment when reading.  
I've wondered if the work of liberating India corresponded with the 
end of the cycle that required its isolation in the 1,000 years in 
which Christianity skyrocketed (circa 1000 CE) then declined.    

Krsanna Duran


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Morten
> Many of our generation were church fed and for many one lifetime 
is not enough to encompass the river of tradition and belief.  Annie 
Besant made it possible for those souls to hold on to their 
traditional religious cultures while embracing theosophy at the same 
time.  They stand like the pillars of Hercules one foot on each side 
of the ocean.  Our children are not in this same situation as they 
have been reared to think for themselves in regard to their own 
philosophical beliefs.
> 
> Although this is the long way around the mountain, at least it is 
a step in the right direction.  Diehard Blavatskians like me, have 
no trouble, dumping the baggage of religious dogma and embracing the 
Secret Doctrine, even without proof, and for no other reason than 
its grand vision it's logical coherence, and its  consistancy with 
ancient teachings.
> 
> Perhaps the Masters through HPB saw that  men's minds needed to 
be  revolutionised in their thinking or else we will be the cause of 
our own destruction, as we can see this happening in the world today.
> 
> Cass
> 
> "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@...> wrote: Hallo Carlos and all,
> 
> My views are:
> 
> Yes.
> I would also like Pedro and other Leadbeater fans
> comment on that quote by the Mahatma, and explain why the LCC
> is not exactly losing its socalled -  reason the exist -  in the 
same manner 
> as the by Carlos in the below quoted Priest and Churches.
> 
> Here is some more explanation why I am against CWL's  LIberal 
Catholic 
> Church (LCC).
> My poor somewhat almost Middle Eastern Sufi-heart is suffering 
seeing this 
> problem, not being dealt with properly.
> There are too many members with what I would call Christian-
theosophical 
> tendencies. These same members has a lot of prejudice to
> offer the Middle East if they develop their occult skills 
prematurely or in 
> the wrong direction.
> 
> 
> As Blavatsky said in her 1888 article:
> IS THEOSOPHY A RELIGION?
> 
> "Moreover, the very raison d'�tre of the Theosophical Society 
was, from its 
> beginning, to utter a loud protest and lead an open warfare 
against dogma or 
> any belief based upon blind faith.
> It may sound odd and paradoxical, but it is true to say that, 
hitherto, the 
> most apt workers in practical theosophy, its most devoted members 
were those 
> recruited from the ranks of agnostics and even of materialists. No 
genuine, 
> no sincere searcher after truth can ever be found among the blind 
believers 
> in the "Divine Word," let the latter be claimed to come from 
Allah, Brahma 
> or Jehovah, or their respective Kuran, Purana and Bible. For:
> 
> Faith is not reason's labour, but repose. "
> http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/IsTheosophyAReligion.htm
> 
> Leadbeater even himself admits his own double-standard.
> Here from "Inner Life" written 1917, C. W. Leadbeater.
> 
> " CEREMONIAL
> 287. 
> The line of ceremonial is one along which many people come, but of 
course it 
> must be understood that no religious ceremonial whatever is ever 
really 
> essential, and the man who wishes to enter upon the Path of 
Holiness must 
> realize this fully and must cast off belief in the necessity of 
ceremonies, 
> as one of the fetters which hold him back from nirvana. This does 
not mean 
> that ceremonies may not be sometimes quite effective in producing 
the 
> results which are intended, but only that they are never really 
necessary 
> for any one, and that the candidate for higher progress must learn 
to do 
> utterly without them. The ceremonial line is an easy road for a 
certain type 
> of people, and is really helpful and uplifting for them; but there 
is 
> another type of men who always feel ceremonial as an obstacle 
between 
> themselves and the deities which they wish to reach.
> 
> 288. 
> In Christianity this ceremonial line is the one appointed by its 
founder, 
> through which his magic is to work. The consecration of the host, 
for 
> example, is a means by which spiritual force is poured out over 
the people. 
> There is often a vast amount of devotional feeling at the moment 
of the 
> consecration, and the working of the magic is assisted by that, 
though it 
> does not depend upon it. Those who are devotional unquestionably 
receive 
> more because they bring with them an additional faculty of 
reception. On the 
> other hand, there is always the probability that ignorant devotion 
will 
> degenerate into superstition. In a recent enquiry into these 
matters from 
> the occult point of view, made in Sicily, I found that there was 
certainly 
> plenty of superstition, and much harmful interference in family 
matters on 
> the part of the priests; but still on the whole the country was 
distinctly 
> better than it would have been without it. We should remember also 
that in 
> history we usually hear much of the worst effects of religious 
enthusiasm, 
> whereas the good steady progress of many thousands under its 
influence makes 
> but little impression."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let us hear your wise words in response Pedro, Dave and friends.
> 
> 
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:38 PM
> Subject: Theos-World The Mahatmas and a "Liberal" Church
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Dear Sufilight,
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Perhaps Pedro Oliveira or some other Liberal Catholic
> > priest could comment this paragraph you quote
> > from the "Mahatma Letters" ?...
> >
> > "I will point out the greatest, the chief cause of nearly two-
thirds of 
> > the
> > evils that pursue humanity ever since it became a power.  It is 
the
> > sacerdotal cast the priesthood and the churches.  It is those 
illusions 
> > that
> > man looks upon as sacred that he has to search out the source of 
the
> > multitude of evils which is the great curse of humanity and that 
almost
> > overwhelms mankind.  Ignorance created Gods, and cunning took 
advantage of
> > the opportunity." (Letter 10 in the Non-chronological editions)
> >
> > Best regards,  Carlos.
> >
> >>From: "M. Sufilight" 
> >>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: 
> >>Subject: Re: Theos-World Begging money for the "Coming"
> >>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:52:24 +0100
> >>
> >>Hallo,
> >>
> >>
> >>My views are:
> >>
> >>John, I guess this is the place...
> >>http://www.timestar.org/e-mail.htm
> >>
> >>I did like these words:
> >>   There is one thought which specially brings a doubt to my 
mind,
> >>especially when I have long since come to realize the truth 
contained in
> >>the
> >>following quotation from one of the Mahatma letters:--
> >>
> >>"I will point out the greatest, the chief cause of nearly two-
thirds of 
> >>the
> >>evils that pursue humanity ever since it became a power.  It is 
the
> >>sacerdotal cast the priesthood and the churches.  It is those 
illusions
> >>that
> >>man looks upon as sacred that he has to search out the source of 
the
> >>multitude of evils which is the great curse of humanity and that 
almost
> >>overwhelms mankind.  Ignorance created Gods, and cunning took 
advantage of
> >>the opportunity."
> >>
> >>    It is incomprehensible to me how Dr. Bezants pronouncement 
that the
> >>power
> >>of the World Teacher manifests in the L. C. C. with the Herald 
of the Star
> >>filled with pictures of Priests and clergy, it is 
incomprehensible how one
> >>can harmonize the two thoughts, especially in view of the fact 
that H. P.
> >>B's and hundreds of quotations from letters of the masters and 
also the
> >>early writings of Mr. Leadbeter condemned the vary teachings of 
the
> >>Christian church as false and misleading, which now are 
apparently found 
> >>to
> >>be true.
> >>
> >>    Having studied the writings of Dr. Besant, Leadbeter, H. P. 
B. and The
> >>Mahatmas and Sinnett, I must admit that I am completely unable 
to make the
> >>same harmonize with the more recent teachings of our leaders, 
especially 
> >>in
> >>view of their references to the L. C. C. and the apparent 
building or
> >>hoping
> >>to build in the world sacerdotal organization or organizations 
that have
> >>within themselves the seed for greater misery and power than is 
possible 
> >>at
> >>the present time under Christian Theology.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>from
> >>M. Sufilight with a smile...
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: 
> >>To: 
> >>Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:53 AM
> >>Subject: Re: Theos-World Begging money for the "Coming"
> >>
> >>
> >> > Was this posted by David Green? Lol. Might someone tell me 
who or what
> >> > "Timestar" is?
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
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