From: "krsanna" <timestar@timestar.org>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World Wheaton X Tacoma TS: Motives?
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:46:56 -0000
TSA executives certainly know that they need property and resources
to function and expand their operation. Further, it is possible
that the organization is experiencing some difficult times.
Financial gain, in my opinion, is NOT TSA's primary motivation.
They don't intend to let the building, the library and the archives
get away, if they can help it. I don't think they initiated
litigation for the purpose.
I believe TSA executives honestly believe they need to keep a rein
on theosophical organizations in order to make theosophy -- as they
understand it -- succeed. As a parallel, Anand sincerely believes
that Adyar is the master's elect center. I suspect TSA Wheaton
executives profoundly believe their organization is essential to the
success of theosophy.
TSA must gain control of membership and property in order to succeed
at their mission. This end justifies the means. They know their
financial position has become precarious since the Shirley MacLain
phenomenon changed the market that had sustained their publishing
house for decades.
TSA filed the lawsuit for what they construe as the best interests
of theosophy, which translates as the best interest of TSA. These
are "good" people who wouldn't admit to harming a fly, and they
believe their own story.
I suspect they decided something had to be done about John Scott,
because John Scott wouldn't play pussy with them. Their only hope
of gaining control of the Tacoma Lodge was a lawsuit.
Betty Bland shamelessly told members of the Tacoma Lodge they had to
elect new members when visiting on 10/22/05. Electioneering of that
type is forbidden by TSA rules. When, at the same meeting, John
told her about recent decisions the Lodge had made, Betty said his
account was news to her. John said that he had sent a letter
informing her of everything he had mentioned. Betty responded with
something like, "Oh, that letter. I threw it away. It was too
emotional." The letter was a legal announcement. Betty threw it
away? Throwing the letter away then announcing it at a public
meeting that it was too emotional is outrageous, when the pending
lawsuit that Betty knew would be filed 9 days later. Betty also
told John in the course of the meeting that "she would just have to
call in her legal team."
Betty may not have considered a court might take her action of
throwing the letter away far more seriously than she did. Only
smug self-righteousness accounts for Betty's behaviour. I believe
this is what is behind TSA's lawsuit, more than the financial gain
to be acquired for TSA members.
Krsanna
Krsanna
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Steven Levey <sallev1@...> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
> If this is a need to get hold of the property issue, then
they have sunk off of the ethical map. Truley, I hope not. Either
way, they will have removed independence rather than assisting in
its growth.
>
> Steve
>
> carlosaveline cardoso aveline <carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> No doubt, you are right.
>
> But I read in "The Aquarian Theosophist" some time ago that the
reason might
> be also related to some economical difficulties Wheaton would be
facing --
> and hence the attempt to get control of the physical property of
the
> building belonging to the Tacoma TS.
>
> In that case it would not be just a political issue, but also a
material
> one. Perhaps it is not easy to get information enough to see this,
but if
> anyone can help with that, it would be interesting to know.
>
> Thanks, Carlos.
>
> >From: Steven Levey
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Wheaton X Tacoma TS: Motives?
> >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:33:55 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> > My feeling that the TSA's motive is obvious has to do with the
> >very fact of their being a court case. To me this means that
their general
> >motive has nothing to do with assisting the Tacoma Lodge "to
become better
> >able to help and teach others". It is to rein them in from their
> >independence, as you mentioned, and bring them in-line with how
the TSA
> >wants their Lodges to behave, regarding procedure. To me there is
nothing
> >else to be seen regarding their motive, regardless of how they
put it.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> >
> >
> >Dear Steve, Dear Krsanna,
> >
> >I haven't come to a clear conclusion, so far, as to Wheaton's
(Betty
> >Bland's) motivation with regard to attacking the independence of
the Tacoma
> >TS.
> >
> >If you can give us a view about that, I will thank you.
> >Is it the money of the building? Is it political power? Is it the
need to
> >fight the dangerous example given by an independent lodge?
> >
> >Best regards, Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Steven Levey
> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Get the facts, Bart -Tacoma Lodge
Resists
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:03:17 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >BArt-If you know what motivates the Tacoma Lodge's actions,
then you know
> > >all you need to know. What motivates the TSA is more than
obvious.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> >
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